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Transmission has kicked off. My name is Liz Whit. My pronouns are they, them. And I'm stoked to be joined in the studio with my co pilot for the day, Brody.

And my pronouns are they, them.

Good morning, Brody.

How are you?

Good morning. I'm good. How are you?

I am excellent. I am excited to be driving. I'm excited to be making some radio with everyone this morning. I hope you're doing excellently out there, Brisbane. So, Brody, you've had a large week of both getting older and saving the world.

I guess you could say that, yeah.

I couldn't. I did. You did.

You did.

So you've been on a panel at Logan Loud and Proud and Loud. Loud and Pride.

Yes, I was on a panel at Logan Loud and Proud on Saturday about mental health and lgbtqia. Like in the intersections of mental health and our community, basically.

That's beautiful.

It was great. It was very fun.

Not the only panel that you did this week, though.

No, it was not. And it was the panel of. I was on a Coming from a non binary perspective at a UQ health research forum.

God damn.

The only way that I represented the queer community last week is by putting about 18 hours into Hades too. Are you still going on that, Abs? I will be going on that video game for another 60 hours.

Oh, dear.

That is. That is my dedication.

No judgments here.

Look, sometimes that just has to be your joy.

Well, I guess your joy was your queer joy. Was also going to see Priscilla Queen of the Desert on Friday too. That was very camp.

Yes. Twelfth Night Theatre over in Bowen Hills currently has a wonderful production of Priscilla Queen of the Desert. If you are up for a sing and a dance. And here's. You know what? 4 Triple Z as a radio station decidedly doesn't have like a centralised editorial department.

True.

It's a weird thing to try and do any kind of, like, critique or reviews of local media because, like, what we want is people to keep doing local media.

That's it.

But my love language is giving notes if I finish a play or a movie or an album or anything. And I say, yeah, that was good.

I hated it.

If I go on for about 18 minutes about, like, how the wigs in the first song of the second act were really, really great, but overall I.

Felt like some of the, you know.

Like that means I loved it.

You loved it?

Yeah.

Yes, me too. It was very good.

So here's my one critique of Priscilla the Queen of the Desert.

What was that?

There is, you know, people like to use Venn diagrams to represent.

Yes, yes, yes.

There is a huge overlap in the Venn diagram of people who do drag and people who do musical theatre. But that Venn diagram is not a circle.

No, it is not.

And I think sometimes our musical theatre friends and I say this as a reformed musical theatre person, think they can just jump into drag and do it flawlessly without respecting it as its own art form. Ex we go. But it was a wonderful, it was wonderful, wonderful production.

What's on the show today?

I'm excited.

Me too. I'm very excited for this.

So today I have a really cool interview that I did a couple of weeks ago. It is with UK singer songwriter Jasmine Forte and I have been absolutely pushing her on this show. Also on every show that I have done for the last six months. It was an absolute pleasure to have.

A chat with her.

And we also have a giveaway.

We do. Yeah, we do.

We have a giveaway of a double pass to her show at Black Bear Lodge on Thursday night. So I think we make this a competition of joy.

Yes.

If you are a subscriber to 4zzz, I want you to tell me one way that you feel joy, that you actively get to bring joy into your life. Maybe it is patting beloved pet. Maybe it is just going outside for a walk. But what is one way that you invite joy into your.

Or even stepping on crunchy leaves?

That is joyful.

It is joyful.

And we will pick one lucky subscriber from amongst them to win this double pass to the concert on Thursday night. Maybe you don't know if you want to go yet. I think I'm about to make you want to go.

Yes, you are.

All right, shall we jump into the interview?

Let's do it.

So Jasmine Forte, she is a UK singer songwriter. The album is called you'd Are the Morning. It came out in January and it got pretty broad critical acclaim, but it was kind of representing a kind of full on period of her life, which we get into straight away in the interview. So the first question that I posed to Jasmine is how did this album actually come to be, like, from the place of your life and how Are you kind of responding to it now that it's in the world? Let's take it away.

Yeah, absolutely. So it's kind of a collection of songs that are all kind of from the first year after I came out as trans. So basically I have me, which is also known as chronic fatigue syndrome. When I got Covid, I got Covid quite early and it like, yeah, really hit me really hard because of that. And I was just like in bed for six months. I had like quite bad heart condition caused by the COVID And while I was in bed I was like, I think I'm gonna transition about.

Does seem that Covid did crack a lot of eggs.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, my egg cracked when I was 16 and I tried to come out then, but I went back in the closet until I was 29 and here I am again.

Well, congratulations on making it out of the carton.

Thank you.

So you. Did you. So did you have Long Covid?

Yeah, yeah, I had. Honestly, I think Long Covid is kind of the same thing as.

So you're suffering from chronic illness, you've recently come out as trans and you have turned to songwriting.

Yeah, well, coming out didn't really go so well and my life kind of disintegrated. I tried to move. So my marriage ended and I tried to move back in with my parents and that also didn't go great. And I ended up homeless for a while and I was just like sleeping on my friends floors and sofas and stuff. And that was up in Manchester. And I met a lot of the trans community up there writing songs about the things I was experiencing. But I think I was kind of focusing much more on the joy that I was finding in meeting other trans people for the first time and falling in love with trans people for the first time. So yeah, that's kind of what the. What the songs are about.

Yeah.

Friendship more than even like romantic love or romantic attraction. Seems to be a really strong theme throughout the album. How has it been kind of finding your trans and queer community?

It's been really wonderful. I mean, yeah, like my. My chosen family, my friends in the trans community and the queer community in Manchester have really carried me through all of this. It's been like a very stressful time for lots of reasons. You know, there were times when I was like, oh, God, I can't. I can't go through with this. I can't carry on with my transition. But they gave me the strength that I needed. In particular, my friends Han and Yulia who, like, who like, put me up for that period, basically until I found my own place and yeah, really, really supported me through, like. Yeah. When my mental health was at its last. Yeah. Sadly, I mean, I guess we can talk more about this, but my. Yeah. My best friend Julia, who so far I was staying on when I first came to Manchester at the end of last year, was arrested and is currently in prison for two years without trial. And she's alleged to be associated with a group of protesters going into an Israeli weapons factory and smashing up a bunch of Israeli drones. And she was initially arrested under terrorism charges, which was subsequently dropped, and she was recharged with burglary and trespass. But because it was originally under this terrorism legislation, she's been kept in, well, initially very terrible conditions. Now they're a bit better. But yeah, it's two years until her trial, which is, you know, the amount of times that a lot of people serve for manslaughter in this country and yeah, for just like allegedly being part of this anti genocidal act. So that's been really heartbreaking and has been like the backdrop of this release for me and my personal life. And we've just released a deluxe version of the album which has some more songs which are dedicated to Yulia the.

Filton 24 or the Filton 18 is the broader. Yes, yes, kind of.

Yeah. There's been more arrests since then, so they're the Fulton 24 now.

Thank you for putting out the deluxe version of the album with those tracks on it. Because every one of these political stories is absolutely a story of a person and what is happening to people.

Yeah, I mean, this is my best friend, so it's hit me hardest. But honestly, like, all of these people are so wonderful, but also it's important to remember that like they are just, just like you and just like me. And there I feel like there is a tendency to kind of like idolise them as heroes and be like, I could never do that, but like it could be any one of us, you.

Know, and she is just someone as well.

Yeah, exactly. And she's really struggling on the inside and she needs us to not forget about her and she needs our support.

I may be off the mark here, but I believe Kitchen is kind of about Yulia and being with her kind of. Or just your found family.

Yeah, it was about a lot of different people, actually. I think a lot of my songs are. But I think Kitchen is mostly about the first trans love that I had and about it was sort of while I was going through my Divorce. And I wasn't in a place to start a relationship, so we just decided to just be friends. And it was about the feeling of worthlessness, I guess, that I had, but also joy that I had at that time because of that experience. And yeah, those conflicting feelings of just feeling like I'm just standing around in their kitchen all the time, but also.

Like the magic and wonderful thing that it is to have our community who want us to stand around in the kitchen.

Exactly. You get it.

Yeah, it's.

Yeah.

I think your album has really hit home with a lot of, of gender diverse people specifically for how unique those feelings of like isolation and isolation, even alienation within your own body can fight with, you know, your image of, of whether you're allowed to take up space and having those people around you to lift you up who are experiencing that same kind of self questioning and sometimes, you know, low self esteem is so important.

Yeah, no, absolutely. And to be, to love other people and to be loved by other people who are going through this and who unquestioningly accept you and see you for who you are is so important. And often trans people don't get that until much later in their lives. So the first time that happens, it's really magical.

And that's part one of my interview with Jasmine Fortu, who's going to be playing at Black Bear Lodge on Thursday night. A thing she references is a group called the Filter. This is a group of UK activists, anti war activists who have been arrested and held without trial on alleged terrorism charges that have been since downgraded, but still being held with a court date of at least two years for allegedly disrupting the war machinery. So if you want to find out more or maybe help out with their legal funds, you can go to freethefilton23 calm. We're going to play a track by Jasmine Forti. This is Kitchen off her album, you Are the Morning. You're listening to Transmission on four Triple Z. You're listening to Transmission on four Triple Z. It's me, Liz. Whit.

They them, Brody. They them as well.

How you doing, Brody baby?

I'm all right, I'm all right.

So, yeah, I'm playing through a pretty long form interview that I did with Jasmine Forte this week and it's a really enjoyable chat. I had a really lovely time. But I tell you what, Brody, yes, I am audibly nervous. It's different.

It's different. I'm not used to this nervous Liz wit.

Right. I tend to, I tend to approach radio.

Yeah.

Honestly, in a Kind of Wrecking Ball way.

Maybe you were nervous. I think you were nervous because it was so important for you to do this and so special and powerful.

Also, I have never done an interview on Zoom before, and I was so certain the entire time that I had profoundly messed something up and that it was not recording at all.

Story of my life. Every time I do one.

Yeah. Also, a quick shout out to Daria of the arrivals lounge of the music department at 4 triple Z, who sat me down and like a kind and loving mother duck, just kind of talked me through the process of interviewing people on Zoom. And it was.

It was one of those little, like.

Friendship is magic moments.

We love you, Daria.

Yeah. All right, jump back into the interview with part two. In this one, I believe we go more into the actual recording process of the album, and I'll let you know in advance. There's a little bit of swearing in it.

Oh, no.

Yep.

If you've got some sensitive ears around, maybe just dip out for the next seven minutes. Come on back, though, because we love you. And again, we are running a giveaway to a concert on Thursday. So tell me something that makes you feel joy for a chance to get that double pass. I love this one that we got in from Russ, our beautiful volunteer friend. Russ. I feel joy every time I wake up and turn the radio on to the great sounds of four Triple Z.

Oh, stop it, Russ.

All right, let's jump into the interview. And again, little language warning on this one. You're listening to 4 Triple Z.

How now that you're kind of on the other side of the records release, it's had such a wonderful impact, or at least in kind of the indie music scene. Journalism that I'm looking at has had a lot of positive press, critical acclaim, I would even say. How does. Does that feel? Like, do you feel any kind of vindication on that front? Sometimes, yeah.

Philly. I mean, it's. Yeah, it's kind of crazy because I've been making music since I was a teenager and I'm now nearly 34, and it's. It's wild. Like, seeing my name in an NME headline or a Rolling Stone headline, and.

I'm like, what the.

Like, yeah. And like, being on the. Being on the radio and all of these things, being on podcasts, it's just like. It's crazy.

Being on a podcast does kind of feel like the modern equivalent of getting, like, a late night TV interview spot. Like, oh, get down. I'm gonna be on.

Oh, God.

I was gonna say Marc Maron.

I don't know who that is.

Wait, I think he's some American guy. I don't know. Let's jump to the next question.

So you say you've been making music.

Since you were a teenager. How have you found your songwriting process has changed as you've grown older? And kind of, do you think that you have always lent on your songwriting as, like, an emotional outlet, or do you think that those worlds are separated or have been separated?

I think pre transition, I was much more repressed, obviously, and so I think my creative process was a lot less emotional, but I think it was still an emotional outlet of thoughts. But, yeah, now it's very much just like, essentially, diary entries. I write songs by just turning on the voice recorder on my phone, and then I just essentially sing about what I'm feeling, and then I come back and edit it later. So I kind of have constantly have a stockpile of 10 to 20 songs that I'm gonna come back to and edit when I have time.

I feel like the voice notes app deserves a Nobel Prize of some point, some kind at this point.

Yeah, Philly. And it's quite interesting because I do take a long time to write songs, but I always have several songs going on at the same time. So often by the time I come back to kind of finish a song, I'm seeing the emotions through the lens of having had closure on that relationship or whatever it is. I think that then allows me to take a wider perspective in my songwriting at that point, which I enjoy and feels very healing as well. And I think then going on stage and telling those stories to thousands of people, sometimes it just, like, feels like a very cathartic process. And I think that's really helped me through all of this as well.

So the creation of the album you were signed to Satisfactory. Beep, beep. Context.

Liz here. Satisfactory Records is a record label founded by Phoebe Bridges in 2020. Phoebe Bridges has an esteemed solo career and also is a member of Boy Genius, which is a wonderful band with Julian Baker and Lucy Dacus. Just in case you were unfamiliar and.

What was it like getting into the studio and recording it track by track? How much do you think your songs kind of were evolving and changing in the recording process?

Honestly, my friendship with Lucy goes back the furthest we met in 2016. I was open. I opened for Lucy as, like, a local opener back in Bristol on her first album tour, and we just got on so well, and she took me on tour with her in 2018 for the Historian album. So, yeah, Like, I think she feels much more able to edit me than any of the others.

Because you've got the friendship there.

Yeah, exactly. And I trust her a lot more. Not that I distrust the others, but, you know.

But homies are like your mates are your mates. Like.

Exactly, exactly. And it was kind of the first time that I'd. Well, I'd met like Phoebe and Julian before, but it was like the first time that we'd like hung out for long periods was in the studio. So, like. But like. Yeah, Lucy was like very prepared to like get her hands dirty with the marker pen on my lyrics.

Does that and need to be there?

No, literally, yeah. And it's kind of crazy because Lucy can really distil the essence of like a verse and just like collapse things into like their most succinct and direct forms. Which I think is like such an incredible talent and also has like a really good ear for like, rhythm and all of these things. And I think I have like a tendency to be quite verbose. So I think that was really helpful, actually. Like, for example, you Are the Morning, the title track of the album was originally seven minutes long, I think, in the demo. And Lucy was like, no, you don't need to sing that bit again. You don't need to sing that bit again.

Kind of a distilling process almost.

And there was literally an and that she removed and it just changed the whole meaning of the song because. Okay, so the structure of the song now is, Let me remember. Chorus, verse, chorus, middle section.

I love that part of songwriting where you've got that thing. It's not a bridge, it's not like a. It's not a pre chorus. It's just that middle bit and then.

Like verse, solo verse, which is like really peculiar. Yeah, the way that like the chorus never comes back and it almost feels like this kind of diverging paths situation where like the structure is very symmetric, the lyrics are almost non linear. The way that they've ended up, it's like. It's questioning, what if I take this route? What if I take that route?

And so the actual form of the song kind of reflects the journey that you're on at the time.

Yeah, precisely. I think that's largely thanks to Lucy's hand.

That's really cool.

Yeah, really cool. But yeah, then Phoebe and Julian both contributed so much to like, the production. Julian is a big like guitar pedal geek and like really into like amplifier setups and microphone setups and all of that kind of stuff, which I am very ignorant of.

Yeah.

I don't.

I never want to look down if I'm playing guitar. I can barely. Like I'm glued to the neck.

You get it? But yeah, so Julian was kind of in charge of like all the guitar tones and everything on the record and obviously like sings and plays guitar solos, which is, yeah, crazy to me because it is like a big, you know, guitar hero and queer icon of mine.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I'm sure our listeners would agree that the whole, the whole group is just.

Yeah. And then, yeah, like getting signed by Phoebe and meeting Phoebe for the first time like blew my mind because, like, I really wasn't expecting Phoebe to think anything of my demos. He never really do. Do you know what I mean? And I sent them to a few different people locally kind of thing. And then a friend of mine was like, these are really good, you should send them to Phoebe. And I was like, oh, that's a good idea. I will do that. And then, yeah, I didn't hear back. And then I asked Lucy to poke Phoebe. Yeah, just the first call I had from Phoebe, she just like was like complimenting all of my songs like in depth for about half an hour, which was fucking insane because like I'm such a huge fan of hers and like, yeah, have like followed her from the beginning and then just like. And we have like, I think a lot of shared interests and influences and to have her like, as someone who I like just massively, massively respect, like knowing my music and liking it and yeah, in that way was just like mind blowing. I still haven't really got over it.

But like it's a senpai noticed me moment.

Yeah.

Amazing. Okay.

And with that we bring part two of my interview with Jasmine Forte to a close. You are listening to Transmission. We're running a giveaway currently text in 04206-26733. Tell me something that makes you feel joy and you can go in the running win a double pass. Brody, what's something that makes you feel joy? What's something that sparks that little sunny fire in your heart?

I mentioned it before, but crunchy leaves always give me joy. I'm pro. I'm that weirdo who walk around the neighbourhood just stepping on crunchy leaves all the time.

I love that.

Going out of my way and picking up seed pods.

Oh yeah. So mine's odd. Well, actually it's not. It just might, you know, I not to to give undue praise to a business. There's a certain drive thru coffee place. Not the commercial chain one. Yes, that I go to sometimes when I'm in a rush and every time they bring me out my silly little coffee, they put a tiny little cube of brownie on it.

Oh, so good.

And I tell you, that is an emotionally load bearing cube of brownie.

It really is.

It has saved me on mornings when I am feeling a level of despair known only in Russian literature.

So just the tiny little brownie.

That's it. We are going to jump to a track. This is Catch by Platonic Sex. You're listening to transmission on four triple Z. You are listening to transmission on four triple Z. It is 41 past nine, which means we're gonna jump straight back into the final part of my interview with Jasmine Fortier ahead of her show Black Bear on Thursday night. This one, I do want to just give you a warning if you're out there. It's got some are heavy topics in it. We are talking about travelling internationally as a trans person, which at the moment is not fun and can be fraught and actually dangerous. So there will be some mention of sexual violence. If that's going to be upsetting to you, maybe tune out until 9:53. All right, we're going to take it away with part three of my interview with Jasmine for tea. That rhymed.

How has it been working with your voice as it is evolving and the changes that your voice has been going through? Have you found that your approach to singing has slowly changed?

Oh yeah, absolutely. I've had a lot of voice training, singing lessons. My voice coach is amazing. She's called Vivian Snow and she's one of the trans voice lessons team. Yeah, that's the kind of canonical YouTube trans voice lessons everyone does, led by a girl called Z. But yeah, I really recommend singing lessons with Vivian Snow. She's really, really cool. I actually met her IRL for the first time when we played in St. Paul. She came to the show in the Midwest. That was really cool. But yeah, I'm still very much working on my voice. I'm not happy with my voice yet but it has like changed so much. Like if you listen to some of my older stuff, especially like when I was like, you know, singing in rock bands as a teenager, I was, I was in this band called the Narwhals which anyone is welcome to look up, it's like G N A R W.

H A L S the unicorn dugongs.

Yeah. But with a silent G because it was like gnarly and it was basically like we were like taking the piss out of like American frat Box frat culture and doing drag, basically, as American frat boys.

Yeah, us, dude. Bleur tried to do with song two, I think, and then everyone just took them seriously.

Yeah, it's just like. It's dumb. But, yeah, everyone's welcome to go dig that up. Actually, the first album, which is only on bandcamp, and it's called Fuck Cameron, is some of, like, the guitar work that I'm most proud of in my life. It's like we were kind of like, coming out of semi skate punk, semi hardcore band era, but then, like, turning into a parody of frat culture. It was very strange, but, yeah, it was really fun. But anyway, my voice back then, I listened to those recordings and it's like, it's so fucking different. And I am very proud of how far I've come. But then, like, I still listen to my voice and I'm like, no, I don't like that. It is a journey and I have a lot of people in my life who are actively helping me with my voice as well.

I can give you the pithy reassurance that your voice is incredibly pleasing to the masses.

Thank you so much. Thank you. I think most people do like my voice. I did recently stupidly search my own name on TikTok and I found some people smacking about my voice, which I didn't like. But, yeah, I am trying. Yeah, I think I'm kind of like over the awkwardness now. It was a very difficult thing to talk about for a long time for me, but I think I'm much more accepting of it now.

So you're just about to kick off your world tour. How are you feeling about going all over the world?

Ish.

Honestly, terrified of going to the States again.

Fair.

I mean, it's pretty bad in the UK as well right now, but just.

It's not excellent in Australia. Yeah, I know it's kind of cooked everywhere, but, yeah, I can imagine the US right now doesn't feel like a particularly hospitable place.

Yeah, I mean, we're like a loud and proud group of trans women, like, travelling the world, singing about trans rights kind of thing. It's called the Tranache World Tour. Yeah, I think we're just trying to, like. I'm gonna choose my words carefully here. I was about to say stick to our guns, but I think that might have been a poor choice of.

Hold fast to our values.

Hold fast to our values. Thank you. And just like, yeah. And, you know, be. Be true to ourselves and our beliefs that, you know, we deserve to Live, basically. And it is terrifying because, you know, there are bathroom bans coming in in the uk, as there are bathroom bans in several US states. The first time we went to the us, we all had self defence classes, which obviously isn't something that most musicians have to do or consider even. No, exactly. A lot of my friends have had strip searches at borders around the world, which they often use as humiliation tactics at trans women. And we're just preparing for the worst. A lot of trans women are detained in men's detention centres at borders and often raped. So we're just obviously have that in our brains anytime we're crossing a border, so. And now, thanks to Trump's executive order, we have visas with M's in them. I have an F in my passport, so. And that has like, apparently my visa has like a special stamp on it that says I'm trans, which is terrifying. And it's like in my passport and is in my passport every, every border I cross, which obviously puts me in danger. So, yeah, just fear of dying in a detention centre somewhere is very present in my brain all the time.

And it's not a hypothetical fear either. Like it is existing at the moment, is almost an act of resistance.

So many people die imprisoned. Like Yulia, my best friend, one of her friends was a trans guy in the same prison as her, was forcibly detransitioned, denied access to testosterone and died in custody very recently. Like, this is something that is happening to trans people all over the world and could happen to me and could happen to my band and it's something that feels very real to us and.

Very scary to bring it back to what you're doing, though, in response is you're being very forward about talking about Julia, about what is happening to the trans community on social media, off social media. And I've seen that you have gotten support from, you've worked with mutual aid groups in Manchester. I wanted to ask you a question about what kind of advice you would give to other bands maybe emerging or trying to form community beyond just like a musical fandom, how they could maybe take steps to foster like a community where that people are going to be able to find each other.

I think just like, you know, organising events, like we put on so many shows for the trans community before we started touring outside Manchester and just, yeah, don't, don't wait, you know, don't wait for other people to, to promote a show and invite you to play kind of thing. Just like diy, put on a show, get your trans friends to play Organise a meetup. You know, we. I was part of a few different meetup groups and we also organised shows under the meetup group as well. We did jam sessions. I think it's very important to have, you know, spaces that cater to sub communities, so spaces for black and brown trans people, spaces for disabled trans people, spaces for trans femmes, because those groups often feel very isolated within the queer community as a whole. And yeah, I think just trying to foster solidarity with other groups as well. And that's been a wonderful thing about Taurig is being able to foster international solidarity and, you know, talk to you about what's going on in my country and hear about what's going on in your country. And it's. Yeah, it's. It feels really important and is kind of a big part of why I'm doing this. And getting to meet fans after shows feels like such a magical thing to like, you know, like there was a time in my life where I would only be meeting one trans person a week when I first came to Manchester and it would be like, it would be like the highlight of my week. And now I have like cues of trans people coming to meet me every night and it's just like I feel so blessed and yeah, it's such a magical thing just to be able to be part of creating these spaces that were so important to me earlier in my transition and hearing the stories, like in my DMs, in my comments of people who've met their best friends, met their chosen family at my shows and yeah, like, it means so much to me to, to be able to like, give that back and to be part of the good things in the world that meant so much to me early in my transition.

So let's jump into the final segment. This is a rapid fire round of dumb questions I just thought of. Okay, all right, what has been your favourite live show you've played this year?

Oh, God, this year.

Complete off the cut vibes only.

Okay. I think it's got to be Red Rocks, which is this huge 10,000 seat amphitheatre carved into the mountains in the Rockies in America.

Amazing.

Yeah. We had the whole audience like, booing Wes Streeting's puberty blocker ban in the uk. So that was just like, yeah, an incredible moment of trans solidarity for me.

All right, what is your best new city? I have no idea where anything is. Snack or meal.

Oh, that's a really difficult one. I'm vegan so it makes things really difficult. But I think in the UK it's Always. Gregg's Vegan.

Vegan sausage roll.

Vegan sausage roll. They've also, like, recently brought in a vegan version of the steak bake, which I'm not a huge fan of, but I always get, like, one of those and then two of the vegan sausage rolls.

Amazing. Okay, so the name jasmine4t. What led to the choice of the punctuation and grammar of your name?

Instagram. Jasmine4t was taken. So it was jasmine4t. Amazing.

It does seem like ever since Charli XCX came along and just used the MSN name, it's been what all the cool girls have done.

Yeah.

What's the absolute worst airport you've ever.

Had to go to?

Oh, Char de Gaulle.

Amazing. Okay. Jasmine4T, thank you so much for your time. It's been such a pleasure to chat to you. And do you have any parting words you would like to shout into the void?

Fuck Keir Starmer. Fuck Wesji ng. Bring back puberty blockers.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

And that wraps up my interview with Jasmine Forte. Brady, what do you think?

It was amazing. Ah, shucks, it was amazing. And Jasmine Fati is playing on Thursday.

Night at Black Bear Lodge. We are about to deliberate and draw the winner of the giveaway for a double pass to the show. And we'll be getting in touch with the winner directly, and then we're gonna just say later, alligator.

Hooroo. Hooroo.

Yaboo. Not words. Will I say them anyway? Absolutely.

Absolutely.

All right, thank you so much for tuning in today. Stay real, stay genuine, stay true to yourself, and see you next Tuesday.

See ya.

Thank you so much for listening to Transmission. See you next Tuesday, 9 to 10aM on 4 triple Z.