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Hello and good morning. You are listening to Transmission. My name is Hazel and my pronouns are she, her and joining me today in the studio is Ray.

Hello, I'm Ray. I use they, them, pronouns and also.

Special shout out to Nat, who's helping on the desk. I'm Kia.

Hello.

And we've got two wonderful people in the studio with us today from TransJoyMeEngine. Would you care to introduce yourselves?

Hi, I'm April. I'm pronounced she. They.

I'm Connor.

He.

Him.

Thank you. And I'm very excited to be talking to you both today about the idea of community. Finding that community. Where do you look to find trans community? It should be a very, very fun and exciting episode. But before we get into any of that good stuff, we need to get into a bit of community news. So starting off via Q News, we have New Zealand bans puberty blockers for young trans people. New Zealand has announced that it will be banning prescriptions of puberty blockers for young transgender people, introducing new regulations to align its approach with the United Kingdom. Health Minister Simeon Brown said, we're ensuring they remain available for patients who need them for other conditions such as early onset puberty, endometriosis and prostate cancer, where there is strong clinical evidence of benefit. The new approach will not impact patients currently receiving puberty blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria. And the band takes a from 19 December. The announcement took place on the final day of Trans Awareness Week on the eve of Trans Day of Remembrance. This decision has been condemned by patha, the professional association for transgender health in Aoteara. In no other area of care would life saving medication be withheld from a vulnerable population for six years, said the PATHA Executive committee member Avery Zavoda.

Yeah, that's. I'm not thrilled. In other not excellent news, Queensland health minister again refuses to meet with trans advocates. Queensland Health Minister Tim Nicholls has refused to commit to a meeting with Transcend Australia and other trans advocates even as they sat in the public gallery watching on, despite a petition of almost 16,000 people being tabled and a direct question from Labour MP Grace Grace during Question time, asking whether he would meet the advocates. The minister continued to avoid giving an answer. Transcend Australia CEO Suzanne Prosser said the minister's ongo refusal to speak with families impacted is devastating. Almost 16,000 people sign the petition because they know healthcare decisions should be made by families and their children in consultation with qualified medical professionals politicians, prosser said.

New South Wales man has been convicted of transgender hate speech Also via Q News A New South Wales man is in the first in the state to be convicted of hate speech against transgender people after calling for violence on social media. 27 year old Thomas Fordham was sentenced to a 12 month community correction order last week. He has become the first in the state to be convicted of hate speech against transgender people after he called for violence and created an invitation on social media for a genocide. Quote, he pleaded guilty to threatening or inciting violence on grounds of gender identity and for failing to comply with the Digital Evidence Access Order Direction over online comments made last year. If not for mental health issues, he would be going straight to jail. Fordham's barrister Alan Goldsworthy said his client was targeted with a quote, flood of Old Testament religious material on YouTube. In his mind he's doing the right thing by conveying the word of God. That one's a bit bittersweet. It's nice to see that there's action being taken against hate speech, but it's also unfortunate to see this kind of thing happening at all in the first place. But you know, it's the good with the bad that's the wrap up for the news and as always it's left the feeling a little bit grim.

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Hello and welcome back to Transmission on 4ZZZ. My name's Hazel. My pronouns are she her and with me today, also in the studio is Ray.

Hello, my name is Ray. I use they them pronouns.

Excellent. And we have two wonderful guests in the studio with us. We have April and Connor from Trans Joy. Meanjin, would you like to introduce yourselves and your pronouns?

Hi, I'm April. She they.

I'm Connor, he him.

Lovely. And I have you in the studio today because I wanted to talk about community. We're talking about trans community, transgender diverse community trying to Find that community, which I think is an important and interesting thing, especially with. Recently we've got the social media ban coming in for under 16s and I know for a lot of the trans, community online is kind of a big place you find it. So in lieu of that, I'd love to talk about, you know, in. In the real manifest world, you know, how do we approach that? So would you mind just talking me over who you are individually and what does your organisation do?

I guess I'll start.

Yeah, sure.

I'm. I work as a psychologist, so I work in mental health and it's like, you know, community is so important and it's so hard to find places. But we actually met in a book club, me and co. Shelf Lovers Book club. We love Shelf Lovers. So, you know, we both cohort into that. And then Aidan, who moved to Melbourne at the start of this year, was kind of like. I was like, well, I'll help out with Transdro. Looks cool. And he was like, cool. I'm moving to Melbourne in two weeks.

Get ready to take a bunch of work on.

Yeah, I just kind of. Oh, I guess I'm doing this now, so. Yeah, absolutely. I ended up here.

Yeah.

And then I have just essentially finished studying my Diploma of Library Information Services, so, like become a library technician. And I had just done a course in that on event management, which I loved. And I meant to go to TrainerJoy stuff for ages and I kept like having stuff come up and April's like, I'm running it, please come. I was like, yes, okay, I will go and I'll do that. And then I think I went twice. And then I went, can I help run it, please, Please let me in.

Yes, please help.

So if you see our very sparse social media, that's me.

Yeah, Connor's doing amazing, which I will.

Do better next year.

I do not like social media.

Yeah, totally understandable. That's always the way with these kinds of organisations too. You sort of. You recruit as you go because the people who get involved want to see it keep going. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what is trans? Join me Engine. What does. What does the bulk of the operations look like?

Pretty much just come, hang out, meet other trans people, have a good time. Just like a safe space for everyone to sort of. We do a like crafting games day. We can bring your own crafts, bring your own games. We all just kind of sit and hang out, just like to hang out, meet people, meet new trans people, find a sense of community.

Yeah, it's definitely kind of, I guess, neurodivergent focused in a sense. Like, it's kind of a space where you can just come and do crafts and you can sit off to the side. Don't talk to anyone if you don't want to. It's very low sensory because so many of the social events are in bars or places that are really loud.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's so overwhelming.

Yeah.

A lot of parallel play.

That's really lovely. Yeah. No, I find that it's good to have these sort of alternatives. That's why I wanted to talk to you too as well, because, I mean, it would be very easy to come in here and sort of a list the events where trans musicians are playing and the bars that tend to be trans friendly. But there's a much wider spectrum and also, you know, an all ages sort of environment to be. To be engaging with transgender diverse community too. And I'm very glad that a group like Trans Joyme Engine is facilitating that kind of interaction. So when we're talking about these events, and especially you're talking about how it's sort of neurodivergent focused, I'm curious, in your experience, sort of, how does the trans and gender diverse community function like this might be a bit of a vague question, I'm sorry, but in what format does it exist? How are trans people finding each other and talking to each other?

Well, I first found trans people by doing an animation degree. When I started, about three people were trans and by the end, I think, like 15 of us. So you're definitely not 28 other trans people.

Yeah. You're not the person I've heard to tell me that exact story as well. Yeah. What about for you, April?

Well, I think creating community is such a complex thing. Like, I've, I guess years ago, actually, before I transitioned, I used to, you know, work in some community spaces. And it's just so complex, I guess, like, it's the ways that people come together and how they feel comfortable in a space or if they want to come back or if they actually connect with someone there. Like. Like, I think with these spaces, a lot of people kind of come a few times or once and find it's not quite for them.

Yeah.

But then I think we're gradually building a bit of a core group, which is really nice.

Right.

So then a few of us, there's like, you know, eight to 10 of us that know each other now and we can. It makes the space a bit nicer because we all know each other, so people can kind of join in a bit more So I think it's just kind of snowballing a bit, maybe.

Yeah, it's got, like a momentum to it.

Yeah. Plus we're always, you know, we do have that little core group, but we're also very, like, welcoming to new people. We're like, we will take. Come in. We'll take care of you. You're our child now.

Exactly.

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's an interesting point too, that the arts seem to play a big role in this. I mean, for me personally, it's getting involved in music and 4zzz that particularly involved me most in the trans community and found a lot of friends. Natalia, who's manning the desk, is someone that she and I have met pretty much exclusively through the fact that transmission exists and we've communicated through that.

Amazing.

I mean, Ray, you've got trans rag, you know, zines and stuff like that.

And be life and stuff.

Yeah.

I think, like, for me, yeah, finding community is. I think, because I'm very extroverted and very sure of myself and assume that everyone will love me, it's quite. It's obnoxiously easy.

No, no.

I was gonna. Someone will text in soon and be like, nah. But I do feel like it's.

It's.

It is quite. It is quite easy for me. And, like, I think that it can be really hard for. For a lot of people. Like, definitely a lot of people that I've met in the trans community find it quite tricky to. To find their. Their crew. Like, what you both say, I guess, to someone who's, you know, struggling to find community and, you know, how they might want to go about, you know, connecting with others, either at Trans Jo Mangen or elsewhere.

I think the trick is just to try a lot of different spaces. Like, I think when I was trying to find community after coming out, it was. I just kind of go to a bunch of different things and see if I felt comfortable. And for me, it was the Shelf Lovers Book Group where I was like, oh, this is actually a place I really like. So I think just trying a bunch and if you feel like, try it a few times, maybe two or three times. But if it's not your thing, it's not your thing. But it's. I think just trying is the key.

It's that willingness to give a new thing a shot. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Like, I had the luxury of. When I realised I was training came out, I already had this community of people that I met at Unique. And then I left uni and I kind of became a bit of a hermit for a while. And then I was like, okay, well I need to meet some other queer people. And then also went to book club. They had a trans one. At one point I was like, okay, I'm going to the trans one, I'll meet trans people. And then I just kept forcing myself to go. And then I ended up when I decided, oh, I'll help do transdoing now I have to go and meet trans people. I have to go out because I'm running it.

So, yeah. Your solution is to lock yourself in?

Yeah, essentially just take on a lot of responsibility. No, no, of course, yeah. It's just try it out and you know, find like not to advertise ourselves, obviously, but we're like a very chill. Like you can come. Even if you come for a little bit and you hate it, you can leave, we don't mind.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, that's brilliant. That also, I think leads into something that I'm really curious about in your experiences is obviously for a lot of trans and neurodiverse people, there's a lot of anxiety, especially with being a public facing person, you know, trying to find these groups, trying to put yourself out there and be perceived, as it were. I'm wondering if you have any advice or maybe just what you've observed when it comes to that sort of very, very intense avoidance. How do you break through that or how do you at least accommodate it?

Yeah, I used to struggle with that a lot where I was like, I did want to go to do things, not be perceived. It's really just kind of, you gotta find a headspace. Like if you get to a point where you're like, okay, maybe I could do that, book it. And then you have to go. It's just like, sometimes it'll be like, I'll have one day where I feel really good and I have that confidence. I'm like, okay, maybe I could go to this event and then I'll say I'm going. And then I'm like, well, now I have to go. Even though I don't super feel like it on the day.

Right.

Kind of like trick yourself a little bit.

Just practising that impulsivity.

That's the one thing that's kind of worked for me. But I don't know if that's gonna be for everyone.

Yeah, it's just so hard, I think, like that also the anxieties can be so intense, especially when you're presenting differently and you know, going out for the first few times is the different. But I Think. Yeah. Finding spaces where, you know, are safe, like, that's one of the things I like about Trans Joy is like, you know, people can kind of come and present differently with us and, you know, it is safer. Like we're a trans space. It's not. So. Whereas if you go somewhere that isn't trans, you might feel a bit more anxious.

Yeah.

So just, yeah. Going to trans queer spaces where, you know that, you know you will be received well, it's still scary.

Yeah, absolutely. So just like being familiar with what, what spaces are going to welcome you, what spaces are.

Absolutely.

And I mean, this is why I hot take. I love when brands have a little gay sticker on the front door.

Yeah, yeah.

I know some people have a take about the sort of, you know, corporate pride and there's much to be criticised there. But I, I think there's something very powerful when a space or an organisation is willing to say outright, no, you will be allowed to be in here. We're not going to. Because sometimes you'll see even queer groups and a little part of your head goes like, but will I be part of that idea of queerness?

For sure, yeah. That's one thing I do want to impart. I promise you are queer enough. Like, even if you're like thinking like, maybe I am, it's okay, you can come. We love you anyway. Even if you turn out to be like CIS or straight or whatever, like, if you're cool, come hang out. We love you.

And I recall seeing on the event pages for Trans Joy events. It's also for the, the, you know, the family and the supporters. It's anyone who's going to be welcoming and supporting in that space.

Absolutely, yeah. Like I bring my sis girlfriend, she can come.

That's really great. I really appreciate your input on that.

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Hi, April. She there?

Hi, Connor. He him.

Hello. And we are continuing our discussion about trans and gender diverse community and how to find it. So I wanted to sort of broaden it as well. Obviously we've focused a lot on sort of our peer group, the young adults, and we've talked about sort of younger people too, especially with the social media ban coming up or. Yes, coming up. Still. Sorry, I'm a little frazzled. My apologies. But I wanted to sort of expand out and I'm curious, you know, if I can just ask you for advice for every transgender diverse person, young or old, when it comes to community, what's something that, you know they really should hear if they haven't heard anything else?

There's people out there who will love and accept you, who want you to be around them, who want you to come hang out. There's people there for you.

It's never quite as scary as it seems. Most spaces are really nice. People are nice. There's some bad times, but most time you go somewhere and it's actually just chill.

Yeah. And if people are mean, get out of there.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Not worth it.

I think that's a good thing to mention as well, is that community spaces are still, at the end of the day, spaces of community. And community is never a one note thing. You'll encounter people that you don't like and you'll encounter people that don't like you. That's absolutely a reasonable possibility. But I think it's fair to say that when you go to these spaces that have been curated and designed for you to interact with others as a trans and neurodiverse person, that will be at most a social faux pas and not necessarily something dangerous or scary.

Absolutely.

I think that's really sweet that, that that's offered. Do we want to talk a little bit about where these kinds of spaces are then? I mean, obviously, let's talk firstly and foremost about Transformee Engine. What are some of the events you do? Are there any upcoming?

So we've actually just had our last craft games afternoon for the year on Sunday. We did that at New Farm Library in their meeting room on the fourth Sunday of the month. We're hearing, waiting to hear back about booking the space next year. But we will be back next year. I'm not letting this go.

But yeah, we're also at Meeplenbug, which is a wargame cafe in West End, which is a lovely space. Lots of queer people work there. It's really safe.

Yeah, I've heard really nice things about that place too.

So we're there on the Friday, about second Friday of every month.

Excellent.

Yeah.

So you've got this sort of continuing events that occur sort of on repeat throughout the year. Yeah, that's fantastic. And so people can find information about that at transtromyourgen.

Yeah.

On Facebook and other places like Instagram.

And we're thinking about a book club.

Yeah. I've been researching book club stuff.

Yes.

And my absolute dream is just one day, I'm like, someone bankrolls me. I will make a trans library. I want to make one so bad. Just like, just all the trans books. I'll be the librarian. I'm not qualified for that yet, but I will do it.

I have thoughts and feelings about this and I approve. Honest. No, honestly, like there's a. There's one in hell Sinky, I think. And there's like, there's a bunch of like, beautiful, like trans. Literally, like trans libraries. And I'm like, why don't we. I mean, we don't have one here because, you know, we're spending a lot of time, you know, surviving and fighting for our rights and not having money. But look, if I was like, if I like get a whole bunch of money, let's make a. Yeah, I was like, give it to you. Make life.

Let's.

Let's have book.

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, like, like I was saying before, art is just such a big thing for the. I mean, for the queer community writ large, but also for the trans and gender diverse community. Like, it's these spaces that we're definitely often finding each other in. But I think it's also important to hold that, like, if you're not artistically inclined, these are still comfortable spaces. Absolutely. I mean, like, not to lean on stereotypes, but all my trans femme coders in there who don't feel that they're artistic types, I promise you, you'll find these environments welcoming and warm.

Absolutely. I mean, and even the crafternoon, like people just do puzzles.

Yeah.

We've got craft and we've got games. Bring board games. I've thought about bringing in my switch and playing jackbox games.

Exactly.

There's a project.

It's been so long since I've played jackbox as well. Yeah.

I feel like that was my whole like lockdown was like playing those on Discord.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was good.

Mario Kart, Boomerang Fu, we got some multiplayer games.

Yeah, excellent. That's great. When we talk about these sort of spaces too, I feel like I would be missing something obvious if I didn't bring up. You're listening to 4zzz currently, and 4 triple Z is absolutely one of those spaces that it's. I mean, it's high density in queer folks and it's even higher density in queer friendly folks. It's a place that's very, very welcoming. Whether or not you want to volunteer or if you just want to go to any event that's hosted by 4zzz. I promise you that is an event that is queer friendly. That's 4zzz. And it's. In my personal cases, 4z is easily the biggest factor in me finding others like myself and being involved. Transmission was how I found a lot of other people like myself. I don't know how it goes for you, Ray.

Yeah, interestingly, like, I. I think I started on megahertz. This was like X number of years ago in the 20 mid 2010s, I think, or early 2010s. And it was one of those things where I was like, I am a staunch feminist. Oh my God. I'm also trans.

Great.

And it definitely was like a tipping point of like, I You know, discovered a lot about myself and, you know, kept doing Meg hers for a while and then, yeah, definitely, like as soon as I heard about Transmission coming on 4zzz, I was like, this is, this is incredible. And I think it's so important to have a show like this because I know that there's a lot of people who even, like, when I'm at social gatherings or whatever, they'll be talking about, you know, what they listen to and they'll be like, oh, I listen to Transmission. And it becomes like a nice topic of conversation that they can have. It's just, it's beautiful. We love four Triple Z. Yeah.

Oh, sorry.

I was just gonna say one other thing of like, I feel like the main thing with finding Community is just like follow your interest.

Yeah.

For, you know, the music with like me and books. Like, I just love trans books.

Right.

I can talk about them for hours. So it's like just finding spaces where it's something you're so into that you can just. It's fairly easy to interact and like be interested in it, you know, whatever. We all have special interests.

I was going to say, if you want a specific, like, chill space, tell us and I will go feral researching it. I'll see if I can make it happen.

Yeah, absolutely.

I really like that. Also about this community is it's, it's an. It's a very flexible and accommodating community, like Transform. Meaning is a perfect example also for zzz, also a number of other groups throughout Brisbane. And Meaning is just like the people want you there. People really, really want to connect with you. And I'm definitely speaking to you. Any listeners who are not out and about, who are not involving themselves in public at the moment. As a trans individual, we really want to know you. We really want to spend time with you. We get texts in, often on transmission from people who haven't connected with others and enjoy being able to hear about the community through the radio. Whenever I see a text from someone like that, I want to know who you are. Like, not to sound creepy about it.

In a loving way.

Yeah. The space is waiting for you. It's right here.

Yeah. You listening? I want to be your friend. Please come.

I think, I mean, I might just also shout out a couple of, you know, queer and trans friendly things that are around in Brisbane. For those who haven't heard of Gaysgate, Gayskate is amazing, particularly if you're athletically inclined. You like skating rinks. It's all ages, LGBTQIA and Allies Skate Group and it's running as a private skating rink session but also does many community meetups and events. It's all ages, substance free and it's an inclusive and safe space.

And as a book enthusiast, there's a lot of amazing booktastic events that are queer in Meanjin. So we've got Queer Readers, which is a monthly themed and queer focused book club. And that one's at New Farm Library third Monday of every month. There's also the one at the first Wednesday of every month, the Queer Lit Book Club at Avid Reader. And I think that there's also. I do know that Shelf Lovers used to run book clubs but I know that they have plans in the works to like they often will have events running still even though they don't have a shop front currently.

Yeah, there was one last night which was nice. Yeah, they're doing, I think they're trying to do the monthly book club.

Yeah. Sort of at the end of the month.

Yeah.

Oh that's great.

That's where we met.

So that's really nice. I mean also if you're film inclined, Newfound Library also does queer film screenings. I know the next one of Those is Thursday the 15th of January, it's Dallas buyers Club. And I think also, you know, like we said we're looking at these spaces that are all ages, that are inclusive. But I think it's fair to point out also a lot of queer life happens at Nightlife as well. And to just quickly list off a couple venues, you know, Netherworld and Banshees Bar and Art space. Those spaces are places to look into if you really want to find that community.

And also places like the Cave Inn and Echo and Bounce have a lot of really cool trans focused events.

Yeah, I guess the thing to really do is just keep your ear to the ground. There's always things going on. I mean obviously if you happen to already be listening to Transmission, you will hear about plenty of gay and queer and trans events happening all over Brisbane. Mean, but you know, keep tuned in on Facebook, keep tuned in into all of these other sources. These things are dynamic. I mean we just found out that Shelf Lovers is operating outside of what Ray and I was aware of. So you know, these things are always going on.

And I think also like I know that we're running out of time rapidly but if you can't find the space that you want or need, you know, and you have the capacity or you and your mates or someone else that, you know, have capacity, create one yourself. Like I think that, you know, there's a lot of people that I know who are like, oh, look, I want to go to this book club but I can't do this night. Or you know, there's. There's certain, like places that they can't go. They like live in a certain area or. And they're not able to transport to that area. Definitely create your own groups if you have capacity. And that sounds probably easier than it actually is, but it's also incredibly rewarding, I think.

Yeah, absolutely.

You can always book a library meeting room.

Yeah.

So easy.

Free for community groups. Just do it.

I love that. Well, I suppose we're coming down to the wrap up now and I just wanted to hear from the both of you. There's just, you know, something you want to end on something you just think every, every person who might find themselves inclined to enjoy Transmia a transjoined Meanjin's offerings, you know, what do they need to hear?

Just come along. Just do it. I promise we're safe, we're cool. We'll love you. Just do it.

Just give it a try. It's okay if you stay for 10 minutes and leave like. Yeah, just get a vibe.

I'll only cry a little bit.

I love that.

Be trans do Crofts.

Yeah, exactly.

Or games, if that's what you want.

Yeah.

Or just come hang out. You don't have to do either. You can just sit there and stare at us.

Absolutely.

That's cool.

Some people just do some work on their laptop.

Yeah, that's great. I mean, sitting here and staring is what I've done for most of this interview. So I really have to vouch for that as a. As a method of connecting with trans people.

They're great to stare at.

Well, thank you very, very much, Connor and April of Trans Joy Meanjin for joining us here today. And thank you also Ray for. For co hosting with me.

Thank you. This was lovely.

And also thank you to Natalia for helping on the desk. It was my pleasure. I think for me personally, Transmission was my gateway into the trans community.

And so it is such an honour.

And full moment circle to be here on this episode specifically. Oh, that's very sweet.

Thanks so much for having us.

Thank you.

It's been our absolute pleasure. Well, that's that, folks. You're listening to transmission on 4102.1 FM. Enjoy your morning.

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