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You're listening to transm on 4zzz. Amplifying the trans and gender non conforming voices of Brisbane and Beyond. This is Transmission on 4ZZZ. I'm Sean, your abomination about town. And my pronouns are paying the price to the gender gods, but with someone else's blood. She, her.

Oh my God. My name's Hazel and my pronouns are the last girl barely surviving. She, her, nice.

My name's Lauren and my pronouns are we are, sex, Bob, omb, and this guy's about having they. Them pronouns.

Keep it going.

Oh my God. My name's Jane and my pronouns are she hurts. Yeah, yeah.

Fantastic.

That is what it feels like how she hat pronouns.

Perfection. It really does. I wake up in the morning and I'm like, she, her. I do that in meetings too. It's great. Welcome, everybody. This is, as I said, this is transmission on 4zzz. There is a lot more voices in the studio than you used to, which is delightful because we have some very special guests because of their magnificent new release, Jackie, the one, the only, the band I talk the most about.

I think it's likely. It's definitely half of our concept.

We have. We have Jade and Loz from the Worm Girl.

Yes, finally.

I mean, I've only been trying to. I've only been advocating for this for like a year. Yeah, I think. But no, it's delightful to have you here. Welcome. I'm so pleased. So, dear listeners, a little bit of housekeeping first to start with and remind you all that we are broadcasting from the unceded lands, the Jager and Turrwal people always was, always will be aboriginal land. And I'd like to remind listeners, those of you who are familiar with the dulcet tones of the abomination about town. I enjoy the full spectrum of language, which means you're occasionally going to need to get out the swear jar if that is a problem for you. On one hand, I think you should probably take a look at yourself, but on the other hand, it's totally reasonable if you don't want to listen to me getting on my bullshit. There you go. There's an example of swear jumping. Ding, ding, ding. There you go. So we are gonna be playing quite a few songs that will have some language in them. And some themes. I love a good theme. Ooh, baby's first theme. Wow. So we're gonna throw over to a little bit more music and we're gonna come back and we're gonna be talking to the Worm Girls about the new song Jackie, which we're gonna play in the upcoming slot.

Jackie, Ris.

You'Re listening to Transmission. I wanna just. That's right.

We got the secret extended version.

Listening to transmission on 4zzz. This is Sean. You're abomination about town. And my pronouns are chasing through the woods in the dead of the night. This is.

My name is Hazel. And my pronouns are obsessed. That Elvira, or Elvira I don't know how to pronounce it, is actually a lesbian noun.

Yeah.

And we're Worm Girls.

Pronouns. None of your business.

Love it. Love it.

We will not cross your belt.

That is fair. I will never.

Please don't cross my.

It's the least we could do.

We respect all people's pronoun pronouns, even if those pronouns are telling us, not today, my darlings. You are listening to 4zzz that you just heard the newest track from the Worm Girls, Jackie. And I mean, I'm. I'm low key obsessed with it, obviously, because, you know, horror, vampy, goth, girly, and anything that's got those vibes speaks to me. And we are blessed, blessed to have the magnificent Lauren and Jade of the Worm Girls come in and spend some time with us to talk about the new song. Welcome. Thank you for being here.

Thank you for having us. We've been so excited.

Oh, so excited.

Yeah. Yes. Counting down the days.

So, I mean, should we dive in? I want to ask. I'm really curious about the track. I mean, you've always. The previous releases of the Worm Girls and I adore them all. They've got a real sort of person level focus about what's kind of triggering it. Things like holding people to account for their behaviour or songs about public harassment or songs about body dysmorphia and dysphoria. Talk to me about, you know, sort of what's inspired Jackie from this. This place that you create music.

We wanted to have a bit more fun. I feel like with this release, not that talking about all those other things are not really fun, especially in the way that Worms does it. I feel like we make it a bit more lighthearted for ourselves, but I feel like we wanted to encapsulate like a vibe that can really be. I feel like you can interpret Jackie in so many different ways and like, it can have so many different meanings about what it can relate to in the real world in exploitive ways. And I think we wanted to touch on. Yeah, just like, more of a general issue of like, that exploitation and power dynamics. And for us, we could really relate it to sort of the music industry and also just capitalism in general.

It does feel like a broadening of your point of view.

Yeah.

100.

To kind of fold that into the. The sort of work that you're already making.

Yeah. Do you have anything to add on that?

Just that it was really fun to write.

Yeah.

I think we wanted to write a song that had a name in it and the title and that was sort of what sparked it. And we're pretty dramatic people and love, like, theatrics and world building and creativity. And so I think that it just naturally became something quite dramatic and fun.

And it was almost like we kind of just got into, like, a flow state of this, like, silly, spooky, creepy world. And then we were like, oh, wait, but, like, what does this song mean to us? And it was almost like that came second, but it still influenced a lot of the lyrics. Like, when we. A lot of the song feels like it's like a warning, Right. We're saying run. But it's almost like we've had that warning, like, our whole lives in, like, every single thing that we've ever done. So when you think about the music industry, you know, you're warned against entering the music industry one. Because then everyone's like, it's not a real job and you'll make no money.

Which is so wrong.

Whatever. Get over that. Go to sleep. Go fishing if you think that. Whatever. Yeah, but it's also like, you're warned against, like, oh, well, you will just be taken advantage of and you will just be, like, exploited. You'll age out like, oh, you're not 16 and, like, pretty blonde. Like, oh, it's over for you already. And so we wanted to. But so this song is kind of just being like, nah, let's, like, take those warnings and make them a bit sillier and just like, yeah, yeah.

And I guess writing sort of like, genre fiction or like, genre is a really fun avenue for that because it allows you to take all those existing tropes and remix and make it yours. I'm delighted by it. And genuinely, I'm sure that there's someone out there whose name is Jackie who likes to go running and they just put it on the feet as they sprint down suburban streets in their footwear.

I have a really good friend called Jackie, actually. Actually. And I didn't even put the connection together until we were doing an Art at the Park. Art in the park event. And they were there and we started. We performed the song acoustically and they were like, is that song about me? I was like, oh, actually, listen to the lyrics.

And also runs. And you should run.

So you should probably run Jackie's version of Jackie. I'm very curious.

Especially during the guitar solo, when we only have one guitar.

Yeah. It typically becomes a sea of voices. Also singing the guitar with Bella shredding it up on the acoustic.

Oh, yeah. And Bella is magnificent.

Absolutely.

I mean, yeah. Like the. The. You know, I was going to ask you about this sort of the connection for, you know, horror as a genre to the subject of exploitation. But, like, I mean, it's. You've kind of already spoken to that point, you know, of those connections to what that kind of all those tropes and genre stuff means, and we just love it.

Like, I feel like Jade and I especially both just, like, love a spooky horror with, like, Easter eggs and anything that you can really, like, sink your teeth into and. And fully get around. Like, some of our favourite combined, like, movies and things are like, you know, your Midsummers and hereditary and yellow jackets and all of those sorts of things. And so we really just wanted to do something a bit different, I think, with the songwriting and le. We love a theme, and so I.

Feel like Baby's first theme.

Yeah.

Actually, really not. You're well and truly. You're well and truly experienced. You are. No, you are not. Baby's first themes.

I feel like we. Yeah, we've definitely picked themes for each song, mainly because it was, like, the emotion we were already feeling or something that we were so overwhelmed about that we had to write a song about it. So this one did kind of come from more of a place of, like, let's have some fun in our songwriting process. Let's write something that's maybe a little bit silly and goofy, but let's, like, lean hard into more of a. I guess, like, a genre theme rather than, like, a political issue or a social issue that we were feeling, like, affected us.

I think that's something that shines through in all your work, is the specificity of what's happening in it. You know, pop songs. I'm not talking down pop at all, but, like, the. The, you know, I'll hold your hand and love you to the end of time sort of generic universality of it. Whereas when you look at other genres, delve into the specific. I always. I always. The example I always give is the song Jolene by Dolly Parton is about a specific woman married to a specific man who is considering run away or running away with another specific woman. And in that specificity, we find ourselves. And so I think about how, you know, the tracks from the Worm Girls, they seem so specific and tied to very, you know, very individual stories. And in that, you know, I see myself and experience it. So, you know, the fact that you're delving in into a very specific. Jackie, you need to run. Your friends are gonna eat you. Like, there's a real. There's a real. Like. And I'm like, yeah, that really speaks.

To me on a deep level. Really?

Yeah.

I'm really worried about my belly's rumbling.

Yeah. I mean, we've all been there.

We've all been there. And so, yeah. So the. Was there other. Like, you were saying, obviously, that you love. You love yourself. A spooky, scary. I grew up watching. I grew up sort of watching a lot of video nasties, splat, gore, 80s bullshit. And I used at a video store. I am letting everyone know how old I am. I used to work at a Blockbuster video store.

That was my dream when I was little, to be honest.

I was like, it was the best. Yeah, it was the best.

I remember being, like. I want to say, like, 8 years old and asking the person who worked at Blockbuster, like, how do I get a job here? Like, can I work here one day? And they were like, yeah, one year older.

Yes.

Was it me?

I hope so.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh.

But, like, the, you know, consuming all of that media, like, obviously there's the things. Is there anything specific that, like, you've mentioned Yellow Jackets and things like that as a connection to this work. What else? What else kind of got thrown into the mix that. That helped you kind of conceptualise it?

Well, I would say. Yeah, obviously, Yellow Jackets was a huge inspiration.

Yeah.

Really influenced, like, as well, the timing of us just writing the song. I think we just finished watching season two together.

Yeah.

And we were like, we're obsessed with this. We were just like, how do we, like, get involved in this? How do we, like, join this world? Obviously, the creators of the show have built and all of the cast are incredible and we just wanted to have a slice of that. So we were like, how do we join this moment that's happening with this show? And by writing this song, I feel like we were really. We're able to connect with that community.

Of fans, but also make it yours and very specific to the location listeners. If you haven't gotten on and seen the film clip for it, there is a real picnic and hanging rock, Australian gothic energy to it. This sort of like, you know, Violet Gum trees is like creepy as hell. So specific to where we're at at the moment. And you know, our.

Our director Taylor, you drop in. I'm dropping Taylor's little. Their references as well. For the video. They were super into sort of taking like high and low brow influen, like Dante's Inferno, Groundhog Day, a portrait of a lady on fire, and in some ways the final scenes from Inkheart.

Oh, yes.

And so, yeah, I was like, those obviously influenced Taylor's sort of production with the video. Huge shout out to Taylor.

Wide range of references.

Certainly someone to keep. Certainly someone for all our audiences to keep their eye on.

Absolutely. Yeah. Aylor Lauren on Instagram.

There you go.

Nice. Get the plug in.

And so obviously, you know, seeing all the content streaming on all the services and seeing that you're doing, you know, you're up and down the coast doing a whole bunch of shows. I missed. I missed the chapel roan show at Felons Barrel Hall. How did that go? Just out of curiosity.

It was awesome.

Like the best ending to our like being silly, goofy singing chapel on stage era.

I'm so disappointed. I missed. It was. It was. It was. It like the girls were there for it and the guys were confused by. It was that situation. That's CIS straight.

It was.

It was better than I. I thought it was really gonna be that. I thought it was gonna be a lot more of people confused and being like, who is this? What's going on?

And like an hour before the show, half an hour before the show, it probably was that. Yeah, I was like walking through the crowd with my, you know, heart face paint. I had this corset that was made by a local designer called Go and Love that. It had like chaffles face on. It had nipple tassels. It was a very beautiful piece. And I was walking through felons and just getting like the most horrendous looks from men in particular.

Yeah, we've all got my face paint on.

Looking down at my boobs back to my face. I was just like, I'm right here. Like, I'm a human. I'm watching you do this and it's really slow and it's really embarrassing.

Slow is the best way to describe it. Yeah.

That meat market up and down that you get. Oh God, it's not, not a good time.

And yeah, that was happening about half an hour before the show and I was like, oh God, where are they? Where's the chapel? Where's the chapel?

Where are the girls? Gays on the bears, show up please.

Because of course my favourite, one of my favourite things was seeing that the Chapel Roan show at the Cleveland Sands Hotel. So true. And the very confused guys who thought that they were, they were the vibe when they really weren't the vibe. Dear listeners, a group of young men who completely were misreading all of the signals being sent by the worm girls on stage decided to crowd in towards the front and try and engage them in conversation during their set. And so you sang My Kink is Come directly to them, which was a delight. It was probably one of the most iconic. Look, I'm just gonna say, get the swear jar out. It was cunty as hell. I adored it. Hats off. Tip of the hat to you for that one. It was magnificent.

It was really not the vibe. They really thought they were vibing. I feel like they were shouting like requests at us too.

I think they were hitting on us.

They really were.

They were so hitting on you.

Well, I mean also for drunk guys, it's probably like all of this and like five other things and not a single conscious thought.

Yeah.

And you know what? And they say that they can't multitask. I mean especially when you're like doing that to people who have songs like Dirt, which is about public harassment and Cool Girl, which is about holding people to account for their shitty public behaviour. Like it's just like guys, we literally.

Yell get away from here.

Barking off the wrong tree. Yeah, so, yeah. So what upcoming gigs have you got that we can plug and talk about or Upcoming? Hang on, you mentioned secrets earlier.

Oh, we do have secrets. We have so many secrets.

Okay, well, do we want to take a little music break?

Let's do.

And then we'll come back and we'll talk about secrets. Amplifying the voices of the trans and gender non conforming community of Meanjin, Brisbane and beyond. Transmission on 4ZZZ brings you the in trans community news, music and events. Every Tuesday from 9am till 10am Join our team of hosts for an hour of celebrating the unique perspectives of the trans community. Transmission Tuesday mornings from 9:00am till 10:00am on 4ZZZ. This is trans. Whoa. This is transmission on 4ZZZ. This is Sean, your abomination about town. And my pronouns are swinging a chainsaw around on A country road at sunset.

She hang. Hi, my name's Hazel and my pronouns are sudden static noises.

She heard.

Hi, I'm Lauren. Girls. We're worm girls. And our pronouns. Eating bugs off the walls. Yummy.

Love it. Yeah, it's valid.

I thought you guys were gonna make a joke, but you said you weren't relatable. I like it.

On this, the day after trans. Day of visibility, your pronouns of eating bugs off the wall are found.

Thank you. I feel seen. Yeah. I feel visible.

What's going on with you two? There was something that you were going to. That you were alluding to before that you want to talk. Do you want to talk to us about? I mean, obviously you've got gigs lined up, but you haven't announced, so we can't really talk about them. So my room have to stay in.

The back pocket for a little bit longer.

My reminder to listen. Yeah. Jump on. Jump on the feeds. Jump on their socials.

Yeah.

Worm girls with a Z.

Worm girls with a Z.

The zed is very important. It's very important.

But what little secrets can you tell us about what's happening? Is there anything you can imply?

Yes. Some of the people that know worm girls know that we just did a couple of art in the park events in NAAM and Gadigal as well, Melbourne and Sydney recently. And they've been asking, when is the mean gin? And we said soon. And it's really soon.

It's really soon.

It's really soon.

What can people expect at an out in the park?

Colouring, music.

Yep.

Friends.

Cool food.

Worms.

Worms.

Tomfoolery, crochet.

Do we have to bring our own worms to this?

You can, but it's not.

What if encouraged.

What if you are the worm?

Yeah.

Oh, okay. Good.

Yeah.

Bring yourself.

That's covered then. Two birds, one stone.

And typically, like, don't talk about birds and worm girls. People will freak out.

Yeah.

No early birds.

Do not be early to the worm.

Girls in the park.

The worms will be afraid.

Yeah. So scared.

But maybe we'll teach you to make a crochet worm if you want to learn.

That's a. A requirement.

Yeah.

No, just an option.

An option.

Yeah.

I will be making worms in bulk always.

It sounds delightful. It sounds like a real treat.

Wonderful. Delighted. Let's talk about weird stuff.

Yeah.

Love it.

We talked. We talked. We were talking. Yeah. Because this has all been so normal.

I'm sick of this.

So, yeah, this is. You know what? This is normal. Let's get to the weirdness. Okay. So, dear Listeners, those of you who've been tuning in the last. Last couple shows that I've. I've run, I've been talking about the idea of reclaiming media in the world for yourself, for your own identity. Death of the Author. An artist puts something out into the world. You interpret it and experience it in. In your internal world, however the hell you want. And I have been making the point that to me, Cold Chisels, Flame Trees reads as a. A trans allegory. And. And I think what was last time? Arcade Fire. Yeah, I found another one. I found another one. The coincidence here is very strange. The coincidence is a little bit odd. The, you know, Cold Chisel. Jimmy Barnes being Scottish Australian pub rock. Not the only Scottish Australian pub rock outfit that's iconic. Yeah. Men at Work. Colin Hay. Scottish Australian. That's it. There it is. The thing that they stole from. That's a nursery rabbit thing and got a lot of trouble for it. But the song Waiting For My Real Life To Begin by Colin Hay. I'm going to play a little bit of it now and we're going to talk over the top of it because we don't have the time to listen to the whole song, but we'll just put it on and we'll see if this is. Yeah, let you listen to the first little bit.

My name is Georgie Stone and you're listening to transmission on 4zzz.

As we're coming up on the end of the hour. Just a reminder that, you know, yesterday being Trans Day of Visibility, International Trans Day of Visibility, it was a magnificent day to see so many people on social media posting a lot of messages of goodwill and kindness and to remind everyone that your visibility is an act of revolution. You going out into the world, you going out into the world, being who you are, authentically you is creates change. I grew up in an era where there was zero representation. I'd never seen or even understood what a trans person was. You know, working in a video store. The only trans people I ever saw in media were serial killers and victims of serial killers. That is Leatherface swinging a chainsaw on a sunset. Sunset country road. Lovely. But you being in the world changes things. It might not feel like much, but it does. And things are shifting and changing. And yes, there's people who are pushing back, but there are far more people in the world who are on your side, who are kind, compassionate, who want to support, and the only barrier is their fear that they're going to cause hurt and upset by flubbing them pronouns or getting it wrong. But by being present, by engaging in the world, you change it for others. So on that note, we're gonna say goodbye. So goodbye from the abomination of our.

Town, goodbye from Hazel, goodbye from worm girls. Wow.

That was.

Yes. With the Z.

With the Z.

Keep that up.

Keep that up.

What's your Instagram? Where do they find you?

Yeah, yeah.

Ermgirls. With a Z. Yeah, with a Z.

Very important. Sometimes with two Z. Sense across socials too.

Okay. Cute. Yeah, Love it.

We also have a discord.

Yeah.

And a broadcast channel and an email list.

Well, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be gender non.

Exactly.

Just around the corner is the cults and then the multi level marketing and.

We'Ll get there multi.

Giving mushroom vibes.

Mushrooms into this.

You're all good. You're all good. You're all good, my darlings. You hope you all have a wonderful Tuesday and get ready to feel completely messed up. But here we go.

You've been wormed.

Worm. And worm get wormed. Thank you so much for listening to transmission. See you next Tuesday, 9 to 10am on 4ZZZ.