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Hello and welcome to Transmission on 4ZZZ. My name's Hazel, I'll be your host today, and thank you for tuning in. And thank you again for your support over the past week for Radiothon. It was a stellar time and all the amazing people that showed their support and can continue to show their support for more prizes that are available and wonderful sub packs. You can go to 4zzz.org.au/support. Sorry to just spruik the station straight out the gate, but it's because I care, and I know you care too if you're listening. Speaking of people I care about, there's someone in the studio today with me. Would you like to introduce yourself, please?

Hi, I'm Sophie. What's up?

What's up, Sophie? What are your pronouns?

She/her.

And what are you here to talk about today?

I'm here to talk about movies.

Let's go! We're keeping it light today. We're gonna talk about movies. Art has always been a real safe space for trans people. Art has always— not just a safe space, but a place wherein trans people and queer audiences and marginalized communities can organize themselves and can align themselves with messages and stories and to project themselves into society. And I think even in particular lately, there has been a lot of trans cinema. It's just been a thing.

Yes, there's been a big boom lately, which I am happy about.

Yeah, obviously Jane Scherberng, for those who aren't aware of the movie, Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.

Yes.

Really campy slasher thing deconstruction.

Yes, quite interesting.

Yeah, so Jane Sherberg's doing great. And there's also been like a number of independent trans films that I've seen bouncing all over the place.

Yes.

But we'll get more into it because I've brought Sophie on as my resident cinephile, my resident movie nerd.

Yes, that's me. That's all I'm here for.

And what have you prepared for this episode?

I have prepared a list of 10-ish movies that I— it's more of a personal list than anything.

That's fine, that's, that's what we want here.

A list of 10 films that either read to me as trans or are explicitly trans, and I think it's the top 10 for me.

I love that, and I, I did take a little peek at the list, and listeners, if you're into your arts, you're into your movies, you'll enjoy that this is a mixture of very popular films, very niche films, uh, some films maybe you didn't know were trans and some that you definitely are aware are trans movies.

Yeah, I've thrown in a couple curveballs here.

Yeah, um, so I'm really excited to get into that. Uh, and before we go any deeper though, the trans news for the week, which is compiled by Elliot today.

Good morning, this is Elliot for this week's news and events, August 17th, 2026. Police called on trans men in Kansas using women's bathrooms. Following the change in law requiring people to use the bathroom associated with their sex assigned at birth, a group of activists have begun to do just that. 3 trans men, self-labeled the SB 244 Compliance Crew, in reference to the new law, have visited multiple public spaces and used the women's restroom. Despite following the new law exactly and not behaving inappropriately, management called police on the men. They then had to provide uncomfortable and intimate information about their bodies to establish that they were legally permitted to be there. Throughout this interaction, the group says that the police officers seemed unfamiliar with the law and not informed on how it should be enforced. The trans men are quoted as trying to use their position to make a statement on the frivolity of gender policing. Having Kansans guess each other's genitals based on outward appearance and encouraging us to sue each other over it and involve police is dangerous and frankly creepy. SB 244 is currently facing a constitutional challenge in court. We'll keep you updated as the story continues. New South Wales to have its first dedicated LGBTQIA+ legal service. The Inner City Legal Centre in Euronation, Sydney, typically provides free confidential legal advice and selected casework to local catchment within Sydney suburbs, but this added funding will allow them to run a statewide legal service for LGBTQIA+ people to provide criminal, family, and civil legal advice. This service has been funded for 4 years and will begin next year. The Alexander Ball 2026 cancelled. The House of Alexander was founded in 2019 and has become a pioneer of ballroom culture in Meanjin, Brisbane, offering a safe space for queer Indigenous people of colour to belong, throwing yearly balls and competing against other ballroom houses. The House of Alexander has issued a statement cancelling this year's ball following what they call serious issues within our own family. The statement goes on to say that it would not feel right to continue planning and celebrating the Alexander Ball while there is important work that needs to happen within our house first. While this year's ball has been cancelled, there are hopes that next year will go ahead with a stronger foundation. For events this week, we have Gay Skate, who are celebrating Wear It Purple Day on Sunday the 23rd from 5 PM till 7:30 PM at SkateAway Albany Creek with live DJs and fun for all on roller skates, inline skates, or as a non-skating spectator. For more information on that, check out Gay Skate on Instagram or on their website. We'll be posting the links to that and the news for this week on our show notes. My name's Elliot. That's all this week for news and events.

Nobody's talking about extermination. No one ever talks about it.

They just do it.

And then one day when the air is still and the night has fallen, Say, come, will you join my brotherhood and fight, or wait for the inevitable genocide?

Welcome back to 4ZZZ. This is Transmission, I'm Hazel, my pronouns are she/her. Uh, real quick, thank you again to Christopher for subscribing to 4ZZZ— sorry, Richard for subscribing to 4ZZZ. Uh, we muchly appreciate your support, and prior to that there was an anonymous subscription as well. Thank you, anonymous subscriber! Um, we're talking movies with Sophie.

Hi, that's me.

That's you. Uh, and both our pronouns are she/her, by the way, if you even care. And I just played a little clip there from X-Men: The Last Stand. It's a clip of Magneto. Uh, the X-Men movies regularly mishandle Magneto but also give him all of the best dialogue in the entire franchise. Uh, and in that scene people are debating how to respond to the aggression on mutants from society, that there might be a genocide on the way, and people say, they're not even talking about it, blah blah blah, and he declares, they don't, they just do it. Which feels particularly relevant, I think, to the current—

Yeah, that's just raw as hell.

Yeah, to the current state of trans rights, with the way things are changing, the way laws are changing, the way mobility is being restricted for trans people in a number of places. This is what that looks like, and As usual, the X-Men being an allegory for being a marginalized community— slash, they are in the movies— is wicked and leads me into what we're talking about today, which is movies that have transness kind of all over them.

Yes, steeped in transness, if you will.

Steeped in transness. Yeah, gravid with transness. Um, tell me about it. Let's kick off this list.

Hey, kicking it off. Okay, we're kicking it off. Number 10. I couldn't decide between these 2 movies because they're both kind of problematic in their own ways.

That's a really cool start.

But I still love them.

Yeah.

So at number 10, we have combined Dog Day Afternoon and Silence of the Lambs.

Amazing. Uh, do you want to give a little brief which of what these movies are? Yes.

Dog Day Afternoon is the retelling of a real-life story of a bank robbery that kind of goes wrong, where Al Pacino plays some dude. Forget Forget his name, who robs a bank in order to pay for his girlfriend's sex change surgery.

Right.

And they depict her kind of poorly, unfortunately.

Gotcha.

But the reason I bring it up is because there is like an extracurricular story revolving around this movie that I think is quite fun. And I don't know if it's true. I saw it on Instagram Reels.

All right.

I'm gonna— because it's so good, I'm gonna take it at face value.

Go on, paraphrase.

And this is the fact that In, like, the process of buying the rights for the film, they had to pay the guy that robbed the bank for his story.

Ah.

And that money went to paying for the sex change surgery.

Pretty dope. That's pretty dope. Uh, yeah, because the robbery did not occur that long prior to the movie, did it?

No, not too long. It was quite a recent event around that time. It came out in 1975.

Yeah, and the robbery itself was in the '70s.

Yes, I believe so.

To my knowledge. That's really cool. Uh, would you like to briefly extrapolate on how it's not great representation in the movie?

Yes. Um, in the film they repeatedly like misgender and deadname the transgender character.

Right, right.

They portray her as quite, for lack of a better word, mannish. Short hair, like very—

Obviously a cis man actor playing her.

Yes, very much so. Um, and it just like, when you compare it to like real life photos of this woman, like, it's genuinely kind of a travesty.

Right. Total misrepresentation.

Yes.

Um, okay, so we've got a little snapshot of that. What's Silence of the Lambs for those who don't know?

Silence of the Lambs is— I mean, do I really have to explain this?

Preeminent thriller horror movie.

Exactly. Starring Jodie Foster, um, Sir Anthony Hopkins, of course. And it's unfortunately one of my favorite movies. It is weirdly a comfort movie for me.

I see that.

But it was widely protested when it was released because of its mishandling of the gender messery going on there.

Right, with Buffalo Bill, right?

Buffalo Bill specifically, yes. And I think, I don't know, there is an element of it that feels like it's almost trying to shield itself from that criticism. I love the line where Jodie Foster says, transsexuals are very passive. It's one of the best lines in any movie ever.

Unfortunately, I don't think the transmission audience is an example of passive transsexuals.

Yeah, I agree. I, I wouldn't consider myself passive.

That's very charming though. Uh, yeah, I have heard a similar thing said about the movie, that while the movie ostensibly does a really bad job of sort of accidentally or on some level deliberately portraying this transgender murderer. There is also lines in the movie that try and shield it. Like, yeah, there's like another where they say like, this is— there's no way this could be a transsexual. This is a guy that's obsessed with like skin.

Well, I think it's Hannibal that specifically says, our little Billy is not a transsexual, but he wants to be. It's like—

Isn't that the same thing?

He wishes he was a transsexual.

So it's native-born transsexuals.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

So Why— okay, so we've got 2 movies here where you've made it clear they are not necessarily good trans representation. These are almost 2 films that happen to have a poorly represented trans woman in them. So what, what are you— why are they here on the list?

They're here because one, I just think they're extremely well-made movies. Jonathan Demme, director of Silence of the Lambs, and Sidney Lumet. Yeah, they're both amazing directors in their own right. I love a lot of their films. But I just think there's something about like Especially seeing Silence of the Lambs growing up. I think there was something about that that was like, specifically when they discussed like transsexualness, about like the butterfly metaphor, that sort of— or the moth, sorry. I think that kind of stuck with me throughout the years. And it is, like I said, this is like a more personal list.

Yeah, absolutely.

I also think it's important to bring them up, not only because they are 2 of the most famous movies of all time, but like, I don't know, those things are pretty good.

Yeah, so they're 2 famous good movies, and while they are poor representation in a number of ways, slash outright, like, outright villainy propaganda kind of stuff, they are exposure in a way that, like, while it's not good exposure for the main population, in your case, it was something that opened your eyes to that kind of being a thing you can think about, a thing on your mind.

Yes.

Yeah, I think that makes total sense. I've definitely had things in the past that I've watched where it's not at all queer positive or anything like that, but just by seeing it in front of me, I was kind of like, whoa, that's pretty cool actually. And like, too young to know I liked it, but young enough to know that I want to think about it all the time for some reason. Yes.

And unfortunately, yeah, I feel like that ties in very well with the next entry on my list.

Love it. Good segue, queen.

A great segue. Because this is the film that made me trans.

Oh, let's go.

All right.

Number 7 on the list.

It's a kind of rough one. This is number what? Technically number 9.

Technically number 9. Where are we at?

That was just number 10. Where's the number 9 now?

Didn't you mix 2 movies together?

Oh, true.

Yeah, there you go.

There, now we're at number 7. All right. No, number 8. Sorry.

All right.

I'm losing my mind.

Number 8.

Number 8 is Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Here it is.

Yes. Look, I— understand a lot of the criticisms to this movie. It— I just think it's fun, for one.

Yeah.

It's a goofy fun time. But my friend Marley in grade 7 put me in Dr. Frank-N-Furter getup, and that did it.

That's what made it happen.

That's what happened. That's why.

I see. Fair enough. Uh, I guess that ties into exactly what we were saying, where like, regardless of what you think about it as representation, the exposure to it is something that just like Nudged you towards finding yourself. That makes total sense because yeah, I'll I'll I'll I'll mention like it's definitely a movie that there is hot debate about the quality of in terms of being a queer piece of queer cinema representative of trans people. Of course, it was a movie written by and for and completely with cis people without you know. Well, that's not entirely true. Well, go on.

The writer of the film is. have come out as non-binary in recent years.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Richard O'Brien.

There you go. Yeah, I did not know that. Well, good for them.

Yes.

But, uh, well, okay, point disproven. But also, for the most part, it's a very cis—

For the most part, it is very cis.

Uh, obviously Frank-N-Furter plays a transvestite explicitly.

Well, a trans— oh, what a sweet transvestite.

Yes, from Transsexual Transylvania, of course. And, uh, is outwardly villainous, uh, sexually assaults multiple characters, murders many more. Like, uh, a softly sympathetic camp villain for sure. And I feel, I feel I understand that the negativity around this movie comes from the way in which it did not come from the culture.

Yes.

That is being represented as the villain here, right? Um, in the, in the way that like many like, you know, classic offensive queer movies like, you know, John Waters films and stuff. Yes, those queer villains are written by and played by queer people. You know, it's that deliberate leaning on it, whereas Rocky Horror does kind of lack that in a way.

In a lot of ways, it's a lot less— it's a lot less trashy than a John Waters film. Like, it's a— it's not exactly put together, but it's a bit more well-made.

It has some polish.

Yes. Yeah, like if you watch like Pink Flamingos and something like that, that's just— that's just It's nasty. Nasty.

Yeah.

And it is not shot well and it sounds like, it sounds terrible.

Yeah.

But yes, it's a bit more put together. I don't know. It's got vibes.

Yeah, I think for me, I quite like the movie. I certainly will not knock you if you do not like the movie for those reasons.

For sure.

And I feel like particularly I resonate with the idea that it's a really cool movie if you like it for your reasons. But simultaneously, if you go to a queer event and it's all cis people enjoying and laughing at the movie, you can, I can feel that air of like, Are we laughing with or at in this situation? Like, is this in support of, or is this an aren't they crazy kind of thing?

Yes. Well, I find it quite interesting you were talking about it didn't come from the culture. It almost created its own culture in a lot of ways, specifically around like midnight movies, that sort of stuff, which I find quite interesting. And it sort of— that sort of element appeals to me where it's like it created its own underground culture, and I feel that is very queer to me.

Absolutely. I feel that. And I do feel like there are queer and trans people who really do like this movie on that level.

Me.

I think, I think it's, it really is a contextual thing. I remember studying overseas in Spain, and the theater department at the university I was at put on Rocky Horror, and they had Frank-N-Furter played by a cis woman.

Mm, okay.

But nothing changed in the plot. They just kind of did it as is. So a cis woman singing about how she's a sweet transvestite, and then doing awful things. I got the feeling. I was like, oh, I see how this has been taken out of our hands. I see how this is not of the culture. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I got that.

So it sits in a gray area in my opinion.

For sure, for sure.

Well, nice hot take.

That's my hot take of the day.

Let's kick forward then.

But then I guess—

Actually number 7 now.

Actually number 7. Now this, this is a banger. All right, this is— I don't have to clarify this with anything by being like, oh, it's kind of— no. This just slaps.

Okay, give it to Tan. To Tan.

To Tan. French movie.

Okay.

Which, how you know it's good.

Oh, here we go.

Came out in 2021.

Mm-hmm.

I'm gonna sound insane for the next minute while I describe this plot. Okay, all right, go for it. For probably the first time of many today.

Okay.

It is about a woman who has sex with a car, becomes pregnant. This woman, by the way, serial murderer. She then goes on the run after committing a series of murders.

Okay.

And then disguises herself as a missing boy.

Oh.

And like becomes part of like a fireman's troupe.

Okay.

While like, while like showing up as this kid to the father. And the father takes him in and it's this very— it starts off insane, right? But it becomes this beautiful film about found family.

Okay.

And acceptance and just So— It's gorgeous.

Wait, so with this— so with these tones of found family and acceptance and stuff, is the father of the missing boy aware this is not his boy? Like, what's—

Towards the end, yes.

Okay.

Accepting nonetheless.

Interesting. It certainly does not sound like a, a movie that is endorsing that kind of thing. Uh, well, sorry, as in to say it sounds outwardly villainous when you describe it.

It almost is, where you— there are— there is a long sequence that I am, I'm thinking of where she goes on a killing spree.

I forgot about the has sex with a car thing.

Yeah, that's—

That left my brain until right now.

That comes up right at the end. She's pregnant with a car baby the entire time.

Whoa, okay. Um, I see how this trends now.

And there are multiple scenes of them like binding with like bandages, trying to hide the bump, trying to hide their like breasts and stuff like that. I see, yeah. Is very queer.

So this is one of those cases where this is not a trans movie, but you've—

I think it's pretty explicit.

Oh, it is explicit. Okay, okay. This is deliberately allegorically trans.

I would say so.

Okay, interesting.

Um, well, just having seen like the rest of the director's films— I haven't seen her most recent one, but it's very— I, I personally read it as very trans, and at the very least very queer.

I think that makes total sense. I do think it's interesting how, like, I mean, obviously it's really absurd and upsetting circumstances, but it does kind of carry that intense fear and taboo that can come with trying to represent yourself with the gender you identify with, especially when people are really against you for that.

Yes.

In a family environment, in a social environment. I like— obviously she's taking the same actions as someone who transitions, but the nonsense absurd reality she's doing it under, I think sounds like it conveys a lot of that sort of existential dread you get when you, when you first try to transition.

For sure, there's a lot of dread involved. Definitely. It's, it's almost a fun movie.

Almost a fun movie?

It's, it's like, it's intense is what I'll say.

Okay.

Um, there is a lot of scenes that, oh, just a lot. to sit through.

Fair enough.

But like, you have these insane sequences where— what, she has sex with a car? She has sex with a fire truck? That also happens.

Okay.

But there is one scene towards the end that is very simple. It is a bunch of firemen dancing at like a party.

Okay.

Held at the firehouse or whatever.

Love it.

While a Future Islands song is playing.

A Future Islands song?

Yes.

Okay.

And it is possibly one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. It is simple, But it's effective.

Love that.

And that, like, scene wordlessly describes a feeling of, like, finding a home to me.

Okay.

In a way that feels very queer.

I like that. That's really nice. Well, that's number 7. Let's kick on down to number 6 then.

Number 6 is— it's The Matrix. I mean, do I have to explain The Matrix?

The Matrix. Yeah, the niche artsy film from North America.

Many people may not have heard of this film.

Yeah.

So yeah, it was kind of underground.

It's a classic. I mean, we're talking to the Transmission audience, so I feel like you'll have an idea of where we're going with this, guys.

Yes.

But we'll say it anyway. That movie is hella about being trans.

Yes!

I mean, directed by 2 trans women.

Absolutely. Um, at the time closeted, but absolutely in the process of discovering their trans identities. Uh, the movie explicitly draws parallels between taking hormones and waking yourself up from a sort of fake automatic society. Uh, the movie, yeah, it's all about finding your true identity and getting yourself out of the patterns that you're meant to be in, right?

Yes.

Uh, that, that you are to be forced to be in.

You're breaking free of the Matrix.

Yeah. Um, which is ironic with the cultural legacy of The Matrix.

Yes, very ironic considering what red pill generally tends to mean these days.

Absolutely. I actually do have some fun trivia about that. Like, um, there is a character whose name I don't recall, I'm sorry to say, who is— was meant to be—

Yes!

Not explicitly trans per se, but she was meant to have a male body in the non-Matrix world and a female body within the Matrix world.

Name, by the way, being Switch.

There it is.

Which would have made sense, actually, if they'd done that.

Yeah, and in the final movie, just she/her, Switch. And a very cool character nonetheless, like a very well-designed, interesting character. But yeah, yeah, that is intriguing. I think that would have been really cool. And honestly, I think the audiences could have handled it. I think that could have worked.

Yeah, I think so. Especially because it's a sci-fi movie. You can kind of do whatever you want.

Well, I mean, a lot of the times that people get very reactive about trans representation in film, as in like bigots being reactive about any of it being there, That, I feel like, is a lot more modern of a cinch in the sense that, you know, there was in the background of Alien, one of the characters is just explicitly trans in a little lore text log on a screen.

Yes.

Like, that would not have gotten the outrage at the time because it didn't.

Yeah.

It got the outrage in like the 2010s when the remastered edition came out, you know?

And people started noticing and be like, what's This isn't the way it's gonna go. This isn't—

shouldn't be here. So like, like I, I absolutely think they could have gotten away with Switch having the, the, you know, transitioning of gender between the Matrix and, and the real world.

Yeah. I will say, I think The Matrix was only their second movie as far as I'm aware.

Only their second?

Um, I will double-check my work on that.

That's impressive because I know they made Bound. Was Bound before?

Bound was the first.

Wow.

That was the first movie?

Yeah.

Guys, Bound is very good. If you like lesbian romance, go watch Bound.

Bound I like more than The Matrix is my hot take.

Fair enough, yeah.

But it doesn't read as trans. Just lesbian.

Just lesbian.

Which is like, it is.

Yeah, good for them.

Yeah, and good for them. It's got Jennifer Tilly in it. What more do you need?

Yeah, for sure.

Bride of Chucky herself.

Okay, I haven't watched those movies. And I won't. Classic.

You should watch Seed of Chucky. Now that's a trans movie.

Seed of Chucky?

Yeah. Glen and Glenda. Glen or Glenda.

It is Glen or Glenda?

Yeah, it pulls from like the Ed Wood film. And the Chucky's kid is undecided of their gender because their parents are fighting over if they should be a boy or a girl.

Why is this not on your list?

Because it's— it pales in comparison to The Matrix, unfortunately.

It does. That's fair enough.

It's very campy. It's very fun, but it's not exactly an ex— it's not exactly a one, like a perfect film. It's not high art, is what I'll say.

Okay, I think that's very valid. I think we will, uh, we'll get back to the list. We're about halfway through, and, uh, I'm enjoying the hot takes so far. Obviously some of these movies are not entirely, uh, trans-positive.

Yeah.

Um, but I like that there's nuance in that. We also just got a text in from Elliot saying the movie that transed me was Predestination.

Oh my God.

Very weird time travel movie where the main character is both their own mum and dad.

That movie's insane.

Are you kidding me? I haven't heard of this. That sounds awesome.

I haven't seen it. I've heard a lot about it.

Wow.

It's ridiculous. It's got Ethan Hawke in it, I think.

Okay. Is Ethan Hawke one of the versions of this Transformer?

I believe so.

Oh, that's sick. Okay. I'm gonna need to do a little crash course in that movie right now.

Yeah.

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We're up to number 5. We're halfway through. And I feel like it's at this point that we get into a bit of an obvious one.

An obvious one?

Number 5 is I Saw the TV Glow.

I saw that. Okay, that's absolutely true. What is this movie for those unaware?

This movie is a surrealist nightmare about being closeted.

Yeah.

Um, it is kind of hard for me to describe because the story is very loose. It is a story of a boy named Owen who grows up loving this TV show called The Pink Opaque, and it I'll try my best not to spoil it for those who haven't seen it, because I do genuinely highly recommend it.

For sure.

If you are trans out there listening and you haven't seen it and you think you can— and you want a good cry, I would highly recommend it. Mm-hmm.

Particularly the ending.

Particularly the ending is very—

It's heavy. It's heavy, for sure. It's bittersweet though, I feel.

Yes, bittersweet.

Bitter bittersweet, like more bitter than sweet, but it has that little kernel of Yeah. Light in it. Which is very trans to me.

Yes. It's—

I'm so used to things feeling extremely bleak with like a 5%, oh, that's nice, you know?

Look, it is very bleak, but I think because of the fact that it operates almost as like a cautionary tale—

It does.

That gives me a little bit more hope to it.

That's a really good point. And you know, that kind of leans into the way it's like— I mean, it is officially speaking a horror movie.

Yes.

I found, folks, myself being a bit of a wuss with horror, it's pretty doable. It's not that horror of a movie. It's, it's a movie with spooky themes, but in the way that horror is often a cautionary tale. Horror is often like, hey, that bad thing happening to you would be pretty awful, wouldn't it?

Yeah, it would suck.

Let's, let's really dive into that. Yeah. Or hey, you know, being like, you know, those real sloppy '60s to the '80s era of horror movies. Like, hey, having sex as a teen is bad.

Yes.

Look what might happen to you. A guy with a hockey mask will cut you up.

Well, I think it's interesting that Jane Schoenbrun, their latest film, Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, deals with that in a lot of interesting ways.

It does, yeah.

And I want to give a shout out to that. It is, I think, still out in cinemas. So go see it.

Double shout out. Go support. It's independent trans filmmaking that is doing good.

Yes.

Contribute to that momentum and like show studios that this is stuff that people like. This is stuff that people get behind.

Yes.

Heavily.

And then a quickly— a very quick side shout out to Alice Mayo McKay's films.

Okay. Who's that?

She is a very young trans woman who is Australian, I believe.

Oh.

Making very low-budget crazy horror movies. Had a movie come out called The Serpent Skin. It's not on my list, but highly recommend.

Okay, Serpent Skin.

Very trans vampire. Oh, okay, that's cool.

So Serpent Skin is Australian-based indie trans vampire horror.

I guess honorable mention there. That's fire.

That's so cool.

Yes.

But back to I Saw the TV Glow. I love it as a sort of almost— it's not a coming-of-age movie. It's a staying-of-age movie.

Yeah, it's a stagnation of age.

A stagnation, a refusing to grow up, of refusing to grow into yourself out of fear of, I guess, opening yourself up and taking a look, to paraphrase the film itself.

Yeah, absolutely. I absolutely feel that. And that is the— that is one of the things that you really get used to in the trans experience, especially coming on to realizing that you're trans.

Yeah.

Is this, this like, you get this fear of yourself, you get this sort of like fear of your thoughts, fear of your internal world, and you just like you have this desire to completely shut off any form of introspection at all. Which I think honestly can lead to other issues in your life. As you—

It can lead to that stagnation.

You accidentally block other things that you really should introspect as well.

Yeah.

So it's, it's, it's not so scary as it is uncomfortable in a way that I think is really moving, very relatable to trans people, and perhaps to closeted trans people the kind of thing that gives you a big shove in the direction that you need to go to live a life that you want to live.

Yeah.

Um, high recommend that movie from me as well. I, I, my first watch of that movie was with you, and I really enjoyed my experience with it. It's a beautiful film. It's so good.

I agree. And it's also, it's just beautiful looking. It's such, it's such a pretty looking movie.

Absolutely agree.

Um, and the soundtrack is—

Mm-hmm.

It's, yeah, it's got like in the middle just like straight up just 2 music videos.

Well, that—

Of like live music performance.

Yes, that, it feels very Twin Peaks-y in that sort of way. Specifically The Return. I always think of the film I Saw the TV Glow as Twin Peaks: The Return and the like TV show in the universe, The Pink opaque, as the original run of Twin Peaks. That's my little connection there.

I see that.

I do see that. I do think it's thoroughly more watchable than The Return.

Okay, but The Return is like the best thing ever.

No, I love The Return. I'm just, I'm just also acknowledging The Return is Wall to wall, inscrutable.

Pretty much.

Whereas this movie is very traditional in a lot of ways. I like it. What's next on your list?

Next is we're kind of swinging away from explicitly trans to more implicitly, generally queer.

I like it.

I just wanted to include this because it's just a really good movie. We have Bones and All.

Bones and All. You're gonna have to tell me what this is.

This is a film that came out in 2022, directed by Luca Guadagnino, starring My boy Timothy Chalamet.

Oh my God, that guy that hates the opera.

Yeah, that guy that I named a band after.

Oh my God, you named the band after?

I did name the band.

You named the band? You did name the band?

I did name the band, yeah.

Uh, love that for you.

And Taylor Russell is also in this film.

I do like his performances, by the way. We're not doing Timothy Chalamet discourse here.

No, we're not.

We're above that. Uh, tell me about the film. What is it?

The film is set in the '80s and it is about a young woman who runs away from home because she is a cannibal.

Wicked.

And it is sort of about— it's a road movie, my favorite genre of film. I love road movies.

Oh, I saw trailers for this movie. It's coming back to me. Yeah, go on.

Yes, it's very good. Another just beautifully directed film. And I find its depiction of sort of being forced out of your home and being like— and having to almost find community of your own to exist within. This is a theme for me, I think.

Found families, hey?

Yes. But it just— it, it does a beautiful job of depicting what it's like to be isolated from the world at large. And like I said, being forced to find like some comfort in people that are like you.

Absolutely.

And I think Luca Guadagnino himself is, is a queer man.

Yeah.

And there is a very explicitly gay scene.

I love that.

In this film.

Is that a gay scene of cannibalism? Well, it's both.

It's a bit of both.

Yeah, because I was gonna say that there's the other untapped thing, which is the inherent queerness that a lot of cannibalism metaphors have.

For sure.

I watched all of Hannibal the TV show in a fugue state during COVID Yes. Which may have done something to me, but also I do think it's— obviously there's all those metaphorical things of like the romance of wanting something so much you wish to consume it and so on. Or like wanting to be wanted so much someone would consume you. Like there's both sides of that. But additionally, what I think really makes it queer is through amplification to this very horrific thing of cannibalism, you get that feeling of scared, taboo, uncomfortableness.

Yes, that taboo.

There's that feeling of like There's no, socially speaking, there's no way you should ever do that. And so it's scary to try and come to terms with it. And I feel like this is a very heightened horror element that can bring that feeling in.

Well, because the film itself doesn't shy away from the fact that it is disgusting to eat another human being.

Cool. I'm glad we're there. I'm glad we can talk about that as a society.

Well, yeah. Well, the sound design especially, it's gnarly. It's squishy. It's cracky.

It's gross. I get that. I get that.

And it doesn't shy away from that. But the fact that it doesn't turn me off of these characters at all is interesting.

You still feel very sympathetic to them.

Yes, I still almost relate in that way.

Interesting. I like that a lot.

Yeah.

Um, by the way, we did just get a little text in as well. Thank you for messaging in, Mara. Um, Mara said serpent skin mentions— serpent skin mentions trans people, the inheritors of sorcery.

Shout out, Mara.

Uh, I do dig that. I mean, in fairness Where else in the world can you find people who have changed their bodies through alchemy like trans people have? That's real sorcery right there.

That's pretty cool.

Where are we up to on the list? What number are we?

We're on number 3 now.

Ooh, okay. You know what?

What?

I'm really enjoying this chat. I kind of want to leave the top 3 to their own little segment.

Yeah?

We'll do the top 3 in their own little space. All right, all right.

Well then, should I get into an honorable mentions section then?

Oh my god, yes! Do honorable mentions. It is—

it's not honorable mentions. It's honorable mention, singular.

Okay, understood. Honorably mention it, please.

My honorable mention is Louise Ward's Castration Movie.

All right.

A movie I have not sat through. It is 5 and a half hours long.

5 and a half?

That's just the first part.

Okay, so maybe I'll, maybe I'll speak for the listeners here. Uh, the title?

Castration Movie Anthology Part 1: Trash.

What's going on there? What's that about? What are we talking about?

Well, it's about a lot of things. It's an anthology series. There are currently 2 fully released installments, I should say.

Each one is 5 hours long?

Yes.

Wow, okay.

So there's 10 hours of castration up for grabs.

That's tough.

Yeah, it's tough.

That's a soundbite that will forever be associated with you, sir.

Unfortunately, but I'm okay with it.

Okay, good for you.

But it is— it's a film that digs deep into very hyper-specific trans experiences.

Mm.

Um, in a way that is extremely uncomfortable. In the latest installment, Mumsnet shows up on the screen for a little bit.

Don't know what Mumsnet is.

Mumsnet is a TERF forum.

Oh gosh.

Like, it gets real.

Oh damn, okay.

And it gets incredibly uncomfortable.

Right.

And it is the literal definition of like challenging to sit through.

Yeah, so this is, this is real fringe art.

This is real fringe stuff, and I'm leaving it as an honorable mention because I have not had—

you can't—

I can't— I haven't sat through it.

You can't make an official endorsement of it, but I see what you're saying. This is, this is our generational equivalent of something like a Pink Flamingos.

A Pink Flamingos or an Inland Empire. Yeah, is the right—

a really gnarly, dirty, tough-to-do experience. Yes, that has a lot to say and reflects a lot of Real things.

Yes. So I'll leave it at that because it's a lot.

Yeah, it sounds like a lot. That's crazy.

Um, but yeah.

Okay.

It's something.

I don't know, you've kind of left me flabbergasted. I've got something to sit with. People, would you watch that movie? Tell me, would you watch 5 hours of a movie named—

Castration Movie?

Castration. Would you sit through 5 hours of something called Castration Movie? Feel free to let me know. And I just got the thumbs up from Charlotte over in Mega Hers. Absolutely they would. Thank you for that. So there you go. Whilst Transmission cannot officially endorse it, maybe Megaherz can.

How many genders are there?

I don't know. I just got here. In the studio today, there is just one gender. She/her are my pronouns. My name's Hazel and you're listening to 4ZZZ Transmission. Who's here?

Sophie. Sophie is here.

Sophie is here. And we also had a little text in from Junebug. Simply adding to the discourse that castration movie is so intense. Yes. Is it? See, I didn't think it sounded intense.

Castration movie. 5-hour-long movie. A 5-hour-long film. That's just the first one. The second one's 2 and a half— oh, 5 and a half hours long.

Oh, I love it. A little extra half hour of necessary content.

There's a planned 5 installments.

5?

The third one's like— the abridged version came out recently. I watched that.

You'll get a full 24-hour day more worth of content. I can see some alternative groups doing some crazy marathons of these movies.

I don't think it's possible to watch— like, when they fully come out, I don't think it's possible to watch them all in one sitting.

Yeah, it would be like a cosmic horror. You'd come out gone mad.

Yeah, basically.

All right, we are down to the top 3 of Sophie's trans movies, which is very exciting. So we can really We can really indulge in these movies.

Get into the meat of it.

And the potatoes.

Yes.

What is number 3, Soph?

Number 3 is Velvet Goldmine.

Okay, I have not heard of this at all.

Yes, I am honestly surprised that this isn't more widely, widely seen.

Okay.

It has all of the appeal that Rocky Horror Picture Show has to me. It is camp, it is gay, it is fun, it is wild. And then you add Iggy Pop and David Bowie fanfiction?

Well, okay, hold on. Literal fanfiction, or like it's obvious that's what this kind of is?

It's obvious that's what this kind of is.

Oh, sick. I love that.

Um, it's directed by Todd Haynes, who did like May December, Carol, lesbian classic.

Okay.

Um, Safe, which is another film that feels very— it's very queer to me.

Okay.

It's sad and dour, but very queer.

This guy loves to put subtext in these films. He's very— yeah.

Um, but Velvet Goldmine is my favorite because it is truly a celebration of all things camp and queer and gender fuckery, I guess I should say.

Yeah.

Um, it stars, of all people, Christian Bale and Ewan McGregor.

Oh my god.

And Toni Collette's in it as well.

Oh, I'm really into that.

Yes.

I'm really into that.

Ewan McGregor basically plays Iggy Pop.

Okay.

Main character is basically David Bowie.

Okay. Um, David Bowie played by—

Um, David Bowie played by Jonathan Rhys Meyers, who I haven't seen in much else.

Oh yeah, okay, true. I do know the name.

But yeah, it is just this beautiful film that goes— it almost like goes over the entire history of like glam rock and all that sort of stuff, which is a very like— it, it's a very close thing to my heart specifically when it comes to sort of like gender non-conforming presentations and stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, I grew up with KISS.

Yeah, I like— I grew up with David Bowie. I grew up with all the classics. My mum, huge Stooges fan. But yeah, I— it genuinely made me cry. Not because anything sad happens in it, just because it's just that powerful to me.

You just felt— you felt your emotions were so strong your body had to start crying.

Yes.

That's really cool.

Or it's just like— it's genuinely beautiful. It is a lovely celebration of all of these things, and it feels very, very trans to me. I don't know how else to say it. I, I have a lot of emotions about this movie.

Yeah, I love that. This is a very vulnerable take. Um, okay, so it's, it's kind of a fan fiction love story between Iggy Pop and David Bowie, and they, uh, it kind of goes over the history of glam rock and stuff like that.

Yeah.

Is there, is there, is there any more to paint the picture there, or is this kind of a you have to know it when you see it.

You'll— if you watch it, which I highly recommend you do, 5 out of 5 stars, you will feel what I'm talking about. It is— it's honestly kind of hard to put my finger on why this film does this for me.

Yeah.

Um, because, you know, it's pretty— it's your pretty average, like, take on, like, the life of a musician, right? But I think the touches that it throws in, the just themes that it chooses to tackle with its storyline of this, um, Christian Bale basically plays like a— how do I explain— a journalist, um, doing a story on a musician that has disappeared from the public light, faked his death.

Right, right.

And you are basically re-experiencing— you are experiencing him digging back into his past and his love for this scene and these artists.

That's cool.

And I don't know, just that feeling of having a close connection with something like that, and then like going back and sort of re-experiencing it, I really connect with that.

Right, so this is queer and trans, and it's relatable to you in the sense of it's got that really personal journey with music.

Yeah.

In what way is it trans? What's trans about this movie?

I'm trying to think of that, because it definitely felt trans to me. I don't know how. It was a vibes thing.

Did you just sneak a movie you like into this list?

No, I promise I didn't. I promise I didn't. It feels very—

Yes.

I don't know, the way Christian Bale's character is handled specifically.

This character— this movie feels ambiguously transphobic.

Ambiguous, yes.

Okay.

And it definitely feels at least, at the very least, generally queer.

Yeah, right.

I kind of snuck a few in there via that methodology anyway.

That's fine. So, but like, as in, when it comes to like queer themes and trans themes with this movie, this is absolutely a vibes-based thing. This is, uh, it's like, it's, it's of the culture, of the vibes, of the scene, and you if you are trans and queer yourself, you feel really strongly and associate.

I don't know. I don't— maybe I just have a thing for glam rock and all that sort of era.

Who doesn't, baby? Yeah, that shit rocks. Yeah, I, I really, uh, I really dig that. I, I, I like that for a 3rd pick, and it's definitely going on my list because I have not seen it or even heard of it at all.

Yeah, and you can just watch every other Todd Haynes movie as well. It's— they're all really good.

Fair enough.

Speaking of really good, we have number 2. Which is explicitly trans.

Okay.

We have—

We're on track.

We're back on it. We're good.

All right, what is it?

We have Funeral Parade of Roses.

Okay.

This is a Japanese film, came out in 1969. It is very artsy, very out there.

Yeah.

It is about the underground, like, drag and trans scenes in Japan.

Interesting.

And it does a lot of stuff.

Okay.

And almost all of it works for me.

What's meant by a lot of stuff?

It is a meta-dissection of itself in a lot of ways.

Right, right.

The film starts off as a very straightforward story, and then the director of the film shows up and is like—

As a character in the movie?

Yes.

Okay.

I don't know if it's actually him, but there's someone playing a director who is making the film that we're watching.

Love that.

And that— those segments get intercut with interviews from the cast, Mmm. Talking about their experiences with the characters that they're playing and how they relate to them and all of that sort of stuff. So it's, it's a very mixed media sort of thing.

So it's a movie that has the making of itself as part of its plot.

Kind of.

Yeah, cool.

But the making of segments are also quite obviously like staged.

Well, yeah, as in like, like baked into the story is the movie making itself.

And it is— I just kind of love it.

Yeah, that sounds really cool.

For being this like glimpse into a past scene and all that sort of stuff.

It sounds from what you're describing like it's giving me a bit of Paris Is Burning.

I haven't seen it.

Okay, well, it's gotta be on your list, babe.

It should be, shouldn't it?

That's a big look into trans and queer culture and ballroom culture and that kind of thing in a very different cultural context to this. So it's kind of fun that we get to reference both with this though. This is a really nice pull. I'm very, very intrigued by this movie.

It does sound quite— what you're talking about does sound quite similar.

Is this— okay, so is this movie in any form documentarian in nature, or is it explicitly a narrative work the whole time?

I think it aims to be a sort of faux documentary about these scenes. Mm-hmm.

I—

that's an interesting question because it does try to take a very objective view of these things while adding these very hyper-stylized elements. There is a sequence in which the 2 leading, like, female characters of the film having an argument, and like it just stops on a freeze-frame as like speech bubbles pop up.

Huh.

On the frame, like on the screen with like fun like sound effects and stuff.

Amazing, that's really cool.

And there's like sped-up fight scenes. with like goofy music underneath. It's, it's doing a lot.

Right, okay.

But again, it has like elements of— it has moments where it slows down and really lets you sort of just like sit in the culture and the atmosphere of these sorts of places.

Yeah.

And I, I really love that.

So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a documentary, it's a documentary of the, of the vibes and the energy and the life of a scene.

Yes.

Whilst also being in some way a a fictional movie with heightened narrative elements and all that kind of stuff. Um, I'd hate to interrupt our conversation, but we've just had another subscriber! Thank you so much for subscribing. Uh, when I see your name, I'll say it. Um, unless this is another anonymous subscription, but regardless, thank you so much for subscribing to 4ZZZ. And great timing, because that was the penultimate.

That was.

We're on to the ultimate movie, number 1 of your list of trans movies. Um, I'm so excited. Yeah, just give it to me. Whatever. What do you got here?

This is unfortunately one I have to preface.

Oh no.

It's my number 1, but it's a lot.

Okay.

What the things that I talked about castration movie— okay, it's long. It's the definition of what a challenging film is, right?

This is this too?

This is this.

Okay, this is gonna be fringe and extreme and difficult.

Yes.

Okay, I'm ready.

It is Love Exposure.

Love Exposure?

2008, directed by Sion Sono. I only saw it in February, January this year. There was a screening at New Farm Cinemas.

Love it.

It's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life.

Okay, excellent start.

It is a film about upskirt photography.

Oh.

But it's also not. It is 4 hours long.

Oh God.

Much more manageable than Castration Movies 5.

No way you had more than one of those over 3-hour-long movies in this list.

Look, I like long movies. What can I say?

You are a film nerd. So, okay, let me just like get to the head of this. You've said that this is a movie about upshot— upskirt photography.

That's only the first hour.

How is this a trans movie?

Because— I'm gonna have to sort of give a little bit of spoilers here.

Okay.

So spoiler warning for Love Exposure. It's been out for what, 20 years?

Yeah.

It's your own fault.

Yeah.

Um, we get to the hour mark of this film, things are building up, and the main character loses a bet and has to go out in public in drag as the character Mrs. Scorpion.

Great name.

And that character sticks around and becomes an almost like How do I— I don't know how to start with this movie.

It's okay. You can go as slow as you need.

So the character, Mrs. Scorpion, almost becomes like this persona that like is— it almost personifies like feeling— it is almost freeing thing.

Right.

For this character at first.

Yes. Yeah.

Where they put on this persona and it's like the girl that the character is interested in falls in love with Mrs. Scorpion, but not him.

Right. Interesting. This is kind of a classic setup in like a—

But it becomes horrifying.

Yeah, this is like a classic like, like kind of rom-com sitcom situation. So, but it becomes horrifying.

It becomes horrifying because like, it's because it's 4 hours long. The story takes a lot of twists and turns.

I see.

It starts off as, haha, funny, silly, goofy movie about upskirt photography with like kung fu action scenes and stuff like that.

Gotcha.

And then it becomes this just grueling family drama.

Whoa.

In like the middle 2 hours. And then a movie— and then like the family gets induct— like trapped by a cult, and the main character has to break them out. And then he ends up in a like insane asylum, and like, it's insane.

Yeah, okay. So this huge cacophony of strange plot points is on your list of top trans movies because of the character of Mrs. Scorpion?

Yes.

Okay.

And it is— it's rough to talk about because I don't think it was made with the idea of it being an explicitly or even implicitly trans film.

Gotcha.

But the fact that— I don't know if I can get into this without spoiling it, but in the end of the film, after all the events that I've described, breaking the family out of the cult, all that sort of stuff, the main character sort of just breaks.

Yes.

And gets trapped in the persona of Mrs. Scorpion. And there is something so just like deeply devastating about seeing like someone— it's like I Saw the TV Glow, almost like stuck in a place where they feel like they can't be themselves. And in a lot of ways the film deals with that sort of theme, deals with the idea of being your true self, even if that true self is kind of a pervert.

Okay.

Which I don't know if I should be comparing transness to perversion. Yeah.

Dodgy territory.

Dodgy territory. I don't agree with that at all.

But yeah, this is you overlaying a movie about other things.

Yes.

You're overlaying the emotional journey of being trans.

The emotional journey is, I think, the big thing there. There is just like so many sequences in this film that like really affected me. I like— there are multiple points in this movie I just broke down crying in the cinema, right? Just because of just like the emotions of it all and just like, I don't know, it very much reads as trans to me. Again, it's sort of vibes-based, but—

Yeah, that's, that's a fascinating pick. I, I'm curious why this is number 1 on the list.

Because it's the best thing I've ever seen.

Really?

Honestly, kind of.

Okay, why? Okay, hold on. Why is it the best thing you've ever seen? I know you've like waxed a lot about what you like about this movie. But what, what, what, what puts this in your highest echelon? Because I know you've seen a lot of strange, absurd movies.

Yes. This— there is a style that this movie has that I find just truly— it's just so much fun. Okay, like it deals with all these horrific topics of like abuse and just like feeling like religious trauma as well.

It goes—

it runs the gamut. gamut of like every horrible thing. Yeah, but it does it with such like, one, care. This film like genuinely feels like it like cares about these topics and wants to explore them in a way that doesn't feel half-assed, considering it is 4 hours long. It doesn't half-ass any of it.

Wow, that's good.

And then 2, it's just like— what was I saying?

I kind of lost it there.

Okay, I fully lost it.

I see what you're saying. It's one of your favorite movies because it approaches a lot of intense, awful things with extreme sensitivity. And whilst it is—

But it also— okay, here's what I was gonna say. It doesn't get bogged down in that sensitivity.

Okay, right.

It is able to sort of— okay.

Yeah?

A woman cuts a man's penis off and there is a full-on geyser of blood.

Sure, okay. Like, it's campy.

Campy is, I think, the way of putting it.

Sure. Uh, yeah, no, that's the— that's probably the best way we could have gotten to concluding what you meant by all that.

Sorry, I sound insane right now.

Yeah, finally we've got an example from the movie of what you're trying to get at.

Yes.

Geyser of blood.

Yes.

I see what you're saying now. Uh, it's— it sounds crazy. Uh, I would probably advise, uh, the audience that with some of these more fringe artistic films, not for the faint of heart.

Not for the faint of heart, definitely.

Um, and that is why I have you on. I like that you have your niche interests, you can give us pulls of queer and trans culture that are not in the limelight. And that's very, very cool. Um, I've really enjoyed this list.

I feel like I fell apart towards the end there, but that's okay.

That's okay. You fell apart in the splendor and overwhelm of how amazing the films were. And in fairness, you're describing a 5-hour-long ridiculous, like, odyssean journey through horrific traumas. It is truly. So I get that. I think there's a lot of movies from this list that are going on my watch list. A lot of movies on the list that I'm going, that's neat.

And avoiding like the plague.

And I will never watch, but that's okay. I respect all art and that's why we're here. I think honestly a 4 Triple Dead audience is where you're gonna find people who will watch these movies as well. Yeah, thank you very much for joining me on the show today, Sophie.

Thank you for having me on.

I very much appreciate this list. The list will also be labeled out in the podcast as well in the show notes, people, so you can have a look at these. I— oh, we've also got a text in from Junebug. Love Exposure is nowhere near as hard to watch as Castration Movie. Love Exposure is a beautiful journey. I felt like I lived a whole life whilst watching it.

Yes, that's a good way of putting it.

I love that. So thank you, Junebug, for finishing Sophie's interview for her.

Yeah, because I just— I couldn't. I couldn't. I start talking about Love Exposure and I start like going—

You fall to pieces. I only tease it. We also just had another subscriber. Thank you, Mark from Paddington. Muchly appreciated subscription. Is this Mark from Paddington? Are you the Mark from Paddington that I know? That'd be nice.

There might be a couple of them out there.

That's true. Who knew there might be more than one Mark in Brisbane? Thank you for the subscription. Thank you for supporting 4ZZZ. We're talking about weird art. We're talking about being trans and being yourself. This is Transmission. I've got to wrap it up, folks. We're in the last 7 minutes of the show. I also have to answer a text.

Sorry. Thank you, Brad Marcellus.

What is the name of the Mrs. Scorpion movie?

Love Exposure.

Love Exposure. Brad Marcellus, enjoy the movie. Make sure to set aside 5 hours of your day to watch it.

4 hours, not that bad.

Okay, 4 hours and how many minutes?

I think it's pretty much exactly 4 hours, actually.

Oh, tight.

Yeah.

It's a brisk 4 hours.

Yeah.

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